Starting Jan. 22, some may need a passport for domestic air travel

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

14 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

  Historically that has happened here. Poll taxes, literacy tests, property restrictions. You name it. The main impetus for the voting rights act in 1965 was to prevent state and local governments from preventing minorities from voting. A few here like to pretend none of this ever happened. It did and it still does.

who here specifically, thinks there were not laws in the past designed, to keep black people from voting. I have yet to met one of them ?

[Steeleballz 7,550]

11 minutes ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

who here specifically, thinks there were not laws in the past designed, to keep black people from voting. I have yet to met one of them ?

 

  First tell me why you used so many commas in a single clause.

[-Trinity- 513]

1 hour ago, yuna628 said:

The courts have ruled on the profiling matter regarding IDs in a few states. If the intent was to disenfranchise and make things intentionally complex for certain groups of persons rather than others, then those states have big problems. When it comes to voting, anything that prohibits the ability of a citizen to vote, becomes a slippery slope.

 

The problem in many states, including my own - is how does one obtain an ID and what does state regulation say you need to get one? Typically it's going to require a birth certificate and an SSN, and maybe a few other items as well. But what happens if you don't have either? Go get a passport some say. What happens if you don't have that? And what are the requirements to obtain most of those items to begin with? There's the circular law again. You cannot obtain an ID without a birth certificate. You cannot obtain a birth certificate without ID.

 

When you cannot obtain a birth certificate you must have other documents. What happens if you don't have those (never issued them or lost in a fire)? And even if you do have those, you will be required to wait for weeks. That's just what happens here, and not too long ago we didn't even have that provision either. Even if the intent behind requiring an ID is not meant to be of malice, for some it does make things complex, and for others completely prohibitive. The elderly is still a very large voting bloc in this country, and it is often those (of any race) which are the most vulnerable to such laws. If my father for instance, ever stopped driving, he would have the same issue that my mom did. My grandma, as a housewife, did not have an ID. She simply didn't need one back then - she relied to a large degree on her husband's ID (which he certainly had well before any of new regulations and he did not have a birth certificate either being born in 1916.. my other grandma like my dad were born at home and also had no certificates).. pretty much the same as my mom and dad. People born in the old days don't have birth certificates. My mom and dad didn't have one. My sister didn't have one, neither did I. Birth documents issued then don't count the same as a birth certificate and are refused as evidence. Many persons become stuck in the system of red tape. Some elderly have no one to assist them, or are simply too poor (it is doubtful they'd be flying either).

 

The solution should be to simply issue everyone an ID no matter whom they are, their race, or income status. If we all have something equally, then there can be no claim of discrimination. And that idea has been floated before. Conservatives suffered major pushback from groups that were fundamentally opposed on every level. Only 27 states are compliant with the DHS regulation mentioned in this thread. So let's ask why? They are both red and blue states who have fought the measure. REAL ID was fought strongly by conservative groups in the past, and it will likely continue. Many on both sides, remain convinced it is a flawed law.

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This I  agree with, it was my understanding that it already was the case but I guess I was misinformed.

 

I also think that a country like America should have a solution for people who don't have a birth certificate, but who were born in the US. My parents were both born in a rural area in a third world country. Birth certificates? Never heard of, but yet again my father was able to get it done. It took him a lot of effort, time and money and ok, his birthday and month and my moms are a wild guess ( running oke in Morocco is that half of the population is born on either January 1th or July 1th) but he has all his documents and identifications.  So  I think the problem in America is that it's ridiculous that people can't get something to replace their birth certificate so that they can obtain an ID.

[smilesammich 10,727]

22 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

  First tell me why you used so many commas in a single clause.

commas as very, very big deal. so i've learned..

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

28 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

  First tell me why you used so many commas in a single clause.

Much like 007 and a license to kill. I have a CHEST licence to comma as I please 

[charmander 692]

59 minutes ago, -Trinity- said:

This I  agree with, it was my understanding that it already was the case but I guess I was misinformed.

 

I also think that a country like America should have a solution for people who don't have a birth certificate, but who were born in the US. My parents were both born in a rural area in a third world country. Birth certificates? Never heard of, but yet again my father was able to get it done. It took him a lot of effort, time and money and ok, his birthday and month and my moms are a wild guess ( running oke in Morocco is that half of the population is born on either January 1th or July 1th) but he has all his documents and identifications.  So  I think the problem in America is that it's ridiculous that people can't get something to replace their birth certificate so that they can obtain an ID.

They do (sorta). Form DS-10.

[-Trinity- 513]

21 minutes ago, charmander said:

They do (sorta). Form DS-10.

That's for a passport, right? Which a lot of people don't need or can pay for.

 

I found this quite interesting :

 

http://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/blogs/stateline/2017/05/15/without-id-homeless-trapped-in-vicious-cycle

[TBoneTX 45,649]

1 hour ago, Steeleballz said:

First tell me why you used so many commas in a single clause.

The difference between a cat and a comma:

The cat has the claws before the paws.

The comma has the pause before the clause.

[Keith & Arileidi 437]

5 hours ago, Steeleballz said:

 

  Historically that has happened here. Poll taxes, literacy tests, property restrictions. You name it. The main impetus for the voting rights act in 1965 was to prevent state and local governments from preventing minorities from voting. A few here like to pretend none of this ever happened. It did and it still does.

Absolutely True.
The people who hold the power have been doing this since the inception of our country.
You would think we would have learned our lesson by now.

[Keith & Arileidi 437]

4 hours ago, Steeleballz said:

 

  First tell me why you used so many commas in a single clause.

I think it looks pretty.
.Personally, I like to use a lot of dots......
........

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

2 minutes ago, Keith & Arileidi said:

I think it looks pretty.
.Personally, I like to use a lot of dots......
........

i love your writing style. It took you only 14 werds and one comma to make your point 

 

Sign of true smartness

[Keith & Arileidi 437]

3 minutes ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

i love your writing style. It took you only 14 werds and one comma to make your point 

 

Sign of true smartness

Sign of linguistic evolution or a sign of me just being grammatically lazy?
We all pick at each other when it comes to  "proper English" but in the process we miss the most important part.
Composing something that is fun yet easy to read.

Thats why my favorite way to type is via bullet points.

 

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

2 minutes ago, Keith & Arileidi said:

Sign of linguistic evolution or a sign of me just being grammatically lazy?
We all pick at each other when it comes to  "proper English" but in the process we miss the most important part.
Composing something that is fun yet easy to read.

Thats why my favorite way to type is via bullet points.

 

I been saying that for years here. 

[sinayion 29]

Posts like these, are why I shifted from liberal to centre-left. Not everything is "institutionalised racism".

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

22 minutes ago, sinayion said:

Posts like these, are why I shifted from liberal to centre-left. Not everything is "institutionalised racism".

Not everything but still around. That is why I shifted from conservative to middle of the road.