fraudulent spouse

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So many people have a child for this reason - they think well if I have a child with her the marriage looks more real! But it actually does not bc immigration knows men will have a baby with a woman just to leave after and use it as proof the marriage was real. 

 

This is why when you are dating a guy take your time and pay attention to the red flags!!! 

 

Honestly, you brought him here and applied for green card and he got it. You aren't the first American to be deceived and u won't be the last 

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My friend actually said she had a child with her husband so then the government will definitely give her a greencard. They won't split up her and her child:/ she cheated on him the entire marriage and I believe they arfe divorced now - green card in hand. 

 

I'm sure he deceived her but that is why you need to be careful and read the signs before. Now it is out of your hands. And trust me, men like him know the system are trained and know exactly what to do to stay in the country 

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57 minutes ago, N-o-l-a said:

That isn't true at all.  It is one of the reasons that having a child together isn't considered enough for bonafide on its own.

 

Lots of people in greencard marriages have kids.  It is hard to convince your intended target that the marriage is legit without the marital relations aspect to it.  Most pregnancies are unintentional.  

I didn't say bulletproof (nothing is). I said it's the best one.

And it is, in my opinion. What's harder? Getting a joint bank account, lease, credit card or having a baby? Anyone can do open a joint bank account, or take pictures together at the Grand Canyon.... Having a child is juuuust a bit harder, and more expensive. And you can terminate an unintentional pregnancy as you wish.

I understand they weigh all factors, but having a child together looks pretty good for your green card, I think.

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26 minutes ago, Italian_in_NYC said:

I didn't say bulletproof (nothing is). I said it's the best one.

And it is, in my opinion. What's harder? Getting a joint bank account, lease, credit card or having a baby? Anyone can do open a joint bank account, or take pictures together at the Grand Canyon.... Having a child is juuuust a bit harder, and more expensive. And you can terminate an unintentional pregnancy as you wish.

I understand they weigh all factors, but having a child together looks pretty good for your green card, I think.

Not really. Like someone said earlier in the thread: it only proves that two people had sex. If people want to scam someone they do whatever necessary. 

 

I think in this case it's "buyer's remorse". Happens to a lot of US citizens when a marriage to a foreigner has gone done the drain. Then they act like their spouse is an item from Amazon.com that can be sent back. Seen it soooo many times here on VJ. 

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17 minutes ago, Unidentified said:

Not really. Like someone said earlier in the thread: it only proves that two people had sex. If people want to scam someone they do whatever necessary. 

 

I think in this case it's "buyer's remorse". Happens to a lot of US citizens when a marriage to a foreigner has gone done the drain. Then they act like their spouse is an item from Amazon.com that can be sent back. Seen it soooo many times here on VJ. 

I know how mammals breeding works (although nowadays you can even skip the sex, if you want).

I just said that among all other things, having a child together weighs on the applicant's favor (also because if it's an unintentional pregnancy, you can terminate it).

And I agree on the "buyer's remorse". Sounds like this might be the case.

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1 hour ago, Italian_in_NYC said:

I know how mammals breeding works (although nowadays you can even skip the sex, if you want).

I just said that among all other things, having a child together weighs on the applicant's favor (also because if it's an unintentional pregnancy, you can terminate it).

And I agree on the "buyer's remorse". Sounds like this might be the case.

You talk like the women knows she's being scammed when she gets pregnant. Her side of things she thinks the marriage is real. So of course she get's pregnant but then thinks it's a blessing all the while the guy is making plans to leave them both high and dry. 

 

DO you really think when this stuff happens the person cares what damage they do to the other person. There are tons threads on here where the man and woman  up and ditches the kid.

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1 hour ago, Italian_in_NYC said:

Having a child is juuuust a bit harder, and more expensive. And you can terminate an unintentional pregnancy as you wish.

 

 

Follow me here for a moment:  you are an immigrant, desperate to get into the US, so you woo a woman who you'd otherwise not be interested in.  She believes it is true love and you get married, do the usual stuff that married couples do in the privacy of their bedrooms to consummate the marriage.  She ends up pregnant, maybe before the immigration process is complete, maybe afterwards.  American woman still believes that the marriage is legit, is she likely going to terminate an unintentional pregnancy that she believes is the result of a loving union of two people?

 

Nope.

 

 

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30 minutes ago, N-o-l-a said:

 

Follow me here for a moment:  you are an immigrant, desperate to get into the US, so you woo a woman who you'd otherwise not be interested in.  She believes it is true love and you get married, do the usual stuff that married couples do in the privacy of their bedrooms to consummate the marriage.  She ends up pregnant, maybe before the immigration process is complete, maybe afterwards.  American woman still believes that the marriage is legit, is she likely going to terminate an unintentional pregnancy that she believes is the result of a loving union of two people?

 

Nope.

 

 

I get it. There are horrible people out there.

The point is that this would be almost impossible to prove. Her word against his.

No one knows the truth but the two of them (or maybe just one of them).

Reality is that they do have a child together and that she cannot ask for his removal.

The OP's bitterness in asking for him to get thrown out of the country makes it sound like sour grapes (I'm not saying it is, I have no idea). 

Marriages go bad every day, everywhere and many times they do not separate in good terms.

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40 minutes ago, Ontarkie said:

You talk like the women knows she's being scammed when she gets pregnant. Her side of things she thinks the marriage is real. So of course she get's pregnant but then thinks it's a blessing all the while the guy is making plans to leave them both high and dry. 

 

DO you really think when this stuff happens the person cares what damage they do to the other person. There are tons threads on here where the man and woman  up and ditches the kid.

Anything can be, but how do you prove that?
Marriage fraud for immigration purposes usually involves both parties.

It could just be that they started hating each other (happens all the time, look at the divorce statistics) and that she wants to get some revenge.

I mean, how do you prove unilateral fraud, especially when a child is born? It's her word against his.

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Let's focus on facts. There is nothing you can do to have him thrown out. On the other hand we have child support laws in America and he will need to support your child at least until 18 and possibly beyond if college is involved and possibly alimony depending on divorce terms. If you want revenge it will be best handled through the divorce settlement so get a good divorce attorney. Sure he will be able to stay but it will cost him dearly.

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32 minutes ago, RO_AH said:

Let's focus on facts. There is nothing you can do to have him thrown out. On the other hand we have child support laws in America and he will need to support your child at least until 18 and possibly beyond if college is involved and possibly alimony depending on divorce terms. If you want revenge it will be best handled through the divorce settlement so get a good divorce attorney. Sure he will be able to stay but it will cost him dearly.

Well in theory.

 

I do remember a story, somebody I knew when I first came over, short version her Husband disappeared leaving he with 2 boys to raise.

 

Many many years later they are contacted by his new family, he had moved to Florida, anyway he was now dead.

 

She had child support orders but he had never paid a cent, all that came out of his Estate, not sure how happy the new family were about that.

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27 minutes ago, Boiler said:

Well in theory.

 

I do remember a story, somebody I knew when I first came over, short version her Husband disappeared leaving he with 2 boys to raise.

 

Many many years later they are contacted by his new family, he had moved to Florida, anyway he was now dead.

 

She had child support orders but he had never paid a cent, all that came out of his Estate, not sure how happy the new family were about that.

Well it seems it worked out well in the end

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1 hour ago, Italian_in_NYC said:

Anything can be, but how do you prove that?
Marriage fraud for immigration purposes usually involves both parties.

It could just be that they started hating each other (happens all the time, look at the divorce statistics) and that she wants to get some revenge.

I mean, how do you prove unilateral fraud, especially when a child is born? It's her word against his.

No, not really. You should look through some of the old posts here on VJ, they tell a whole different story. 

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19 minutes ago, Unidentified said:

No, not really. You should look through some of the old posts here on VJ, they tell a whole different story. 

Agree however where both are involved less likely to post on here, vast majority seem to be one sided.

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On 1/7/2018 at 5:54 PM, Lady c said:

Hi good people. I am writing because I brought my spouse to the us not knowing that is a fraud. He deceived me not knowing that he had his plans all worked out until he came into the United States.  We had a baby together and couple of weeks when I got home from the hospital he called the police and moved out .  Right now we are going through a divorce in which it is time for him to remove his conditional residency . Please advice me on what to do because I don't want him to stay in this country.

Here's the thing....if you filed the K1, then you had to present a slew of evidence that your relationship was legit and bonafide.

Here's the other thing...when you filed the AOS with him, you had to present a mountain of evidence that your marriage was legit and bonafide AND (most likely) attend an interview together where you both swore to this again and provided further evidence that the marriage was a true one.

 

It's hard to suddenly turn around to USCIS and say "fraud marriage" after all of that evidence showing it was true.

 

There is nothing you can do to really prevent him from continuing his ROC, and then becoming a citizen (if he so wished) unless you have substantial and concrete proof of fraud (that would go against the mountains of evidence you and him submitted in the past to prove your marriage was real).