POE JFK SUCKS!!!!!!!!

[payxibka 10,047]

I have a friend who just came in from France two weeks ago. His flight arrived in the US late, so he had to take an early flight the next morning. Well he thought he would sleep in the airport, but was not allowed to do so. He says people with money went to a hotel to spend the night and others without money or a credit card walked around the hotel and slept in the stairwells that night. Imagine coming in and being told you have to leave the airport and find a place to stay in strange city that you've never visited before!

Can the airport do that???

Not sure about that, but...

US airports are generally NOT well-designed for transit passengers. The only one where I've actually seen an AT-AIRPORT hotel is DTW (where you can enter the Mariott directly--though you have to clear security to re-enter airport). The very seating in airports is not designed for people to lie upon (even at Heathrow, one can stretch out over multiple seats--as well, most Canuck airports have such a design albeit with more padding than Heathrow).

Generally speaking I agree with you regarding US airports. Since all inbound passengers to the USA need to have (or should have) the ability to clear customs (ie.. valid visa or be from a VWP country) there is little need for behind security sleeping areas like you see in other foreign airports. Passengers will rather go to a hotel rather than sleep in the terminal (of course exceptions apply)

Two other airports that come to mind with true on airport hotels in Hartford and Indy.... O'Hare has one within reasonable walking distance

[JODO 2]

IAH has an on-site hotel as well. I cannot imagine ever sleeping in an airport,but I guess sometimes the unexpected happens. Nevertheless, it just seems a little harsh to tell people they have to leave the airport especially if they are just sitting there waiting for a flight and not lounging over four or five seats or sprawled on the floor.

Edited May 1, 2007 by JODO

[cbd2cai 0]

DFW has an on-airport hotel . . .In fact TWO hotels (google is your friend). It is a very LONG walk to get to a hotel that is off the airport grounds.

DFW hotels

One of these hotels is even directly connected to terminal D (the international arrivals terminal).

[athena_ny 1]

I have a friend who just came in from France two weeks ago. His flight arrived in the US late, so he had to take an early flight the next morning. Well he thought he would sleep in the airport, but was not allowed to do so. He says people with money went to a hotel to spend the night and others without money or a credit card walked around the hotel and slept in the stairwells that night. Imagine coming in and being told you have to leave the airport and find a place to stay in strange city that you've never visited before!

Can the airport do that???

Not sure about that, but...

US airports are generally NOT well-designed for transit passengers. The only one where I've actually seen an AT-AIRPORT hotel is DTW (where you can enter the Mariott directly--though you have to clear security to re-enter airport). The very seating in airports is not designed for people to lie upon (even at Heathrow, one can stretch out over multiple seats--as well, most Canuck airports have such a design albeit with more padding than Heathrow).

Generally speaking I agree with you regarding US airports. Since all inbound passengers to the USA need to have (or should have) the ability to clear customs (ie.. valid visa or be from a VWP country) there is little need for behind security sleeping areas like you see in other foreign airports. Passengers will rather go to a hotel rather than sleep in the terminal (of course exceptions apply)

Two other airports that come to mind with true on airport hotels in Hartford and Indy.... O'Hare has one within reasonable walking distance

TPA has an on site hotel...but it's not a POE.

[Saddle Bronc 124]

Generally speaking I agree with you regarding US airports. Since all inbound passengers to the USA need to have (or should have) the ability to clear customs (ie.. valid visa or be from a VWP country) there is little need for behind security sleeping areas like you see in other foreign airports.

Big hole in your logic, as Calgary, Vancouver and Dorval all nappable-seating in security (ticketed passengers ONLY) area as well as common areas; they're all international airports where people entering Canada clear customs/immigration. One can also theoretically (at the nine Canadian airport PFI) clear US immigration/customs, go through security and take a nap--though the inspecting officials may ask the passenger to do so in the common area instead.

Passengers will rather go to a hotel rather than sleep in the terminal (of course exceptions apply)Two other airports that come to mind with true on airport hotels in Hartford and Indy.... O'Hare has one within reasonable walking distance

IAH has an on-site hotel as well. I cannot imagine ever sleeping in an airport,but I guess sometimes the unexpected happens. Nevertheless, it just seems a little harsh to tell people they have to leave the airport especially if they are just sitting there waiting for a flight and not lounging over four or five seats or sprawled on the floor.

IMO, if the passengers have a valid travel ticket, and need to sleep, it's harsh to tell them not to sprawl over multiple seats/floor--let alone to leave airport.

[payxibka 10,047]

Generally speaking I agree with you regarding US airports. Since all inbound passengers to the USA need to have (or should have) the ability to clear customs (ie.. valid visa or be from a VWP country) there is little need for behind security sleeping areas like you see in other foreign airports.

Big hole in your logic, as Calgary, Vancouver and Dorval all nappable-seating in security (ticketed passengers ONLY) area as well as common areas; they're all international airports where people entering Canada clear customs/immigration. One can also theoretically (at the nine Canadian airport PFI) clear US immigration/customs, go through security and take a nap--though the inspecting officials may ask the passenger to do so in the common area instead.

No hole in my logic... If you are not aware but the airports you mentioned are NOT in the US... Re-read my original post (highlighted for emphasis)

[Saddle Bronc 124]

No hole in my logic... If you are not aware but the airports you mentioned are NOT in the US... Re-read my original post (highlighted for emphasis)

Still say, the hole is there--as you supplied the issue of clearing immigration/customs as an excuse; I pointed out other airports (admittedly, not in US) which could but DON't use this excuse.

[payxibka 10,047]

No hole in my logic... If you are not aware but the airports you mentioned are NOT in the US... Re-read my original post (highlighted for emphasis)

Still say, the hole is there--as you supplied the issue of clearing immigration/customs as an excuse; I pointed out other airports (admittedly, not in US) which could but DON't use this excuse.

Well US airports can use whatever excuse they wish, I am not here to defend it. My point was that in other airports you could have in transit passengers who do NOT have the proper entry documents to pass the immigration authority and they MUST remain in the international facility because they simply cannot enter the country. Sleeping or having the ability to sleep somewhere is not an uncommon occurence. In the US... Everyone must arrive with the apparent ability to pass immigration authority and therefore the need for this type of arrangement on the airport property is greatly reduced. And of course EXCEPTIONS APPLY as I indicated in my first post.

[Marry American 0]

I have a friend who just came in from France two weeks ago. His flight arrived in the US late, so he had to take an early flight the next morning. Well he thought he would sleep in the airport, but was not allowed to do so. He says people with money went to a hotel to spend the night and others without money or a credit card walked around the hotel and slept in the stairwells that night. Imagine coming in and being told you have to leave the airport and find a place to stay in strange city that you've never visited before!

My fiance slept at the airport in the terminla he was leaving out of the next day. I told him to go to a hotel but he was with someone from Maroc that could not speak English and he wanted to stay there, so he did not leave him.

It was a bad experience for him. It is a shame that things can't just work out perfectly, but then that is what life is all about-challenges.

[Marry American 0]

IAH has an on-site hotel as well. I cannot imagine ever sleeping in an airport,but I guess sometimes the unexpected happens. Nevertheless, it just seems a little harsh to tell people they have to leave the airport especially if they are just sitting there waiting for a flight and not lounging over four or five seats or sprawled on the floor.

They gave all the people that missed their connecting flights blankets.

Edited May 1, 2007 by i adore you

[Fandango 1,440]

www.sleepinginairports.com

Oh and just to add my .02...if you can't clear immigration, you won't see the rest of the airport cos you'll be in a seperate holding facility

But ppl DO sleep in airports in America

I've slept in an airport before...it's not my cup of tea but it was fun! We flew into Stanstead and arrived at like 10:30pm, and our outbound flight had a 4am check in. Seemed too much chew to actually go anywhere, so we stayed in the bar until it closed, then kicked up our feet on some chairs, and took turns napping.

Edited May 1, 2007 by LisaD

[JODO 2]

IAH has an on-site hotel as well. I cannot imagine ever sleeping in an airport,but I guess sometimes the unexpected happens. Nevertheless, it just seems a little harsh to tell people they have to leave the airport especially if they are just sitting there waiting for a flight and not lounging over four or five seats or sprawled on the floor.

They gave all the people that missed their connecting flights blankets.

Well that was nice.

[Yodrak 7]

Newark (NJ) airport also has an on-airport hotel.

Yodrak

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US airports are generally NOT well-designed for transit passengers. The only one where I've actually seen an AT-AIRPORT hotel is DTW .....

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Two other airports that come to mind with true on airport hotels in Hartford and Indy....

Edited May 2, 2007 by Yodrak

[ELW 5]

www.sleepinginairports.com

Great link, thanks! I gotta read it later after I get home from work. Under "Airports you would rather pay to avoid flying through/from" JFK is # 8 (Delhi #7 haha!).

My fiance and I are really worried now about his 17-hour layover in JFK. He doesn't have the money to get a hotel, I'd have to reserve now from here if that's what we decide. But he is leaning towards just walking around and trying to nap in the aiport instead of going out alone for his first steps in USA - all totally alone in the middle of the night in NYC! (Even I would not want to do that! )

[Sonshyne 2]

We came into the US thru JFK on April 24th, our exprience wasn't bad the process for us went very fast. We got thru customs in 10 mins.