Food stamp recipients down 2M under Trump, USDA figures show

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3 minutes ago, jg121783 said:

Even if that's true only 10 points down with 3 times as much negative coverage isn't bad.

That's a judgment call that I guess each one of us can make independently.

 

I do think Trump gets more negative coverage than many who have come before him, but I also think he is deserving of a lot of it (All of it? Maybe not 100%, but I can't pick a number). If you analyzed the negativity of his public statements (tweets, interviews, speeches) using the same methodology that article used for the media coverage, I would bet money he is far more negative than prior Presidents. He name calls far more often, he insults far more often. Negativity perpetuates negativity.

1 minute ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

No as usual I took massive amounts of bloviating  from multiple sources and reduced it down to a simple short truth

Except that your truth is wrong...so kind of pointless in the end.

 

You're right, that is "as usual".

 

(I also got a good laugh after you seemed to imply that a few paragraphs qualifies as a dissertation. Also business as usual I guess)

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2 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

You know you cannot bring up that name without adding a trigger warning statement.

 

Which only serves to increase the triggering and attacks 

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Just now, JimandChristy said:

He gets three times as negative coverage because of his behavior and rightly so. It's not because the media are mean to him, he brings the negative coverage on to himself, it is his own doing. If he stops acting like a petulant immature child then expect coverage in the media to get less negative, it's common sense!

About the poll, nice to see you cherry picked just one (Rasmussen) which leans Republican and then used that one poll to compare it to Obama's average of all polls.

 

If you take the average of all polls Trump's approval rating is somewhere between 35 to 40%. Can't remember the exact link, but someone on this board posted a graphic showing them, very informative.

So because the media doesn't see him as politically correct it is okay to smear him and make stuff up? By the way the left had no problem cherry picking left leaning polls that showed Hillary 10 or more points ahead did they?

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5 minutes ago, JimandChristy said:

Seriously? You find it completely acceptable for the leader of the Free world, the President of the United States to behave in this manner? Certainly setting a dangerous precedent for a low bar in expectations.  

 

Can you imagine if Obama did this in 2009 after being elected? Fox News and their followers would be screaming for more than impeachment from the rooftops.

Yes, seriously.  Why is some perceived method of how someone in Trump’s position is supposed to act meaningful.  As long as he gets the job done I could not care less.  I have worked with many folks that were not very politically oriented in their speech or actions, but they often times were the most productive people in the group.  I would rather have someone that is make positive accomplishments regardless of their demeanor than someone who has a political silver tongue and gets nothing done.

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45 minutes ago, jg121783 said:

 What polls are you looking at? One of the more recent polls has him tied whit Obama's approval at the same point in his presidency (with Trump getting 3 times as much negative coverage). I know you really want to believe what you just said but the numbers say otherwise.

Which Poll?  Almost every poll except the one outlier that you cherry picked.  Look at all the polls and Trump is around 37% approval.  Also turnabout is fair play, how negative was to coverage on Fox for Obama?

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44 minutes ago, JimandChristy said:

He gets three times as negative coverage because of his behavior and rightly so. It's not because the media are mean to him, he brings the negative coverage on to himself, it is his own doing. If he stops acting like a petulant immature child then expect coverage in the media to get less negative, it's common sense!

About the poll, nice to see you cherry picked just one (Rasmussen) which leans Republican and then used that one poll to compare it to Obama's average of all polls.

 

If you take the average of all polls Trump's approval rating is somewhere between 35 to 40%. Can't remember the exact link, but someone on this board posted a graphic showing them, very informative.

It is not somewhere between it is 40.4 %

 

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html

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4 minutes ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

It is not somewhere between it is 40.4 %

 

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html

so you agree that even with the cherry-picked pro trump polls that Trump polls are beneath Obamas?

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8 minutes ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

It is not somewhere between it is 40.4 %

 

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/

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1 minute ago, JimandChristy said:

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/

dont go teasing NB with numbers, stay emotive so he can label you a hysterical liberal

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5 minutes ago, Il Mango Dulce said:

so you agree that even with the cherry-picked pro trump polls that Trump polls are beneath Obamas?

Your trying to trick me aint you 

3 minutes ago, JimandChristy said:

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/

I remember 538  the nailed the 2016 election didnt they 

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18 minutes ago, JimandChristy said:

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/

Does an approval rating make one a better or more effective president?  I don’t think so.  It just means that of those polled (a cherry-picked few, it seems), the majority don’t approve.  

 

Trouble is, that is not what matters.  What matters is what he does that is positive for our country.

18 minutes ago, Il Mango Dulce said:

dont go teasing NB with numbers, stay emotive so he can label you a hysterical liberal

That’s fairly simple to do.  I can just imagine tears flowed the night of the election.

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3 minutes ago, IDWAF said:

Does an approval rating make one a better or more effective president?  I don’t think so.  It just means that of those polled (a cherry-picked few, it seems), the majority don’t approve.  

 

Trouble is, that is not what matters.  What matters is what he does that is positive for our country.

That’s fairly simple to do.  I can just imagine tears flowed the night of the election.

I know, 2008 and 2012 were joyful to watch over on the Trump Propaganda Channel.

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Just now, IDWAF said:

Does an approval rating make one a better or more effective president?  I don’t think so.  It just means that of those polled (a cherry-picked few, it seems), the majority don’t approve.  

 

Trouble is, that is not what matters.  What matters is what he does that is positive for our country.

I'm not a cherry picker by profession but I'm pretty sure cherries aren't picked at random, so it's not a great analogy. Polling has it's flaws and biases, but the respondents aren't "cherry picked". Their numbers are randomly selected by a machine, and these days it includes cell phones as well as landlines. Now who ends up answering is somewhat biased, but still not cherry picked by the pollster.

 

But I do agree with you that approval =/= effective. That doesn't mean approval doesn't matter though. They are just different.

 

"Effectiveness" in some categories is subjective (in others, like the economy, it's generally fairly objective) so in some cases you may be effective at changing things, but people don't approve of those changes.

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17 minutes ago, bcking said:

I'm not a cherry picker by profession but I'm pretty sure cherries aren't picked at random, so it's not a great analogy. Polling has it's flaws and biases, but the respondents aren't "cherry picked". Their numbers are randomly selected by a machine, and these days it includes cell phones as well as landlines. Now who ends up answering is somewhat biased, but still not cherry picked by the pollster.

 

But I do agree with you that approval =/= effective. That doesn't mean approval doesn't matter though. They are just different.

 

"Effectiveness" in some categories is subjective (in others, like the economy, it's generally fairly objective) so in some cases you may be effective at changing things, but people don't approve of those changes.

I'm not really sure people understand how polling and research polls work so.... you aren't going to get very far in explaining to brick walls. But I thought this thread was about food stamps eh,? Did NB do a rollover again?

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8 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

I'm not really sure people understand how polling and research polls work so.... you aren't going to get very far in explaining to brick walls. But I thought this thread was about food stamps eh,? Did NB do a rollover again?

Why does it have to be me ?