Esta Revoked - should I rent a flat before reapplying?

[Italian_in_NYC 259]

First of all, work is sourced where it is performed.

So it depends on your work/job/business.

If it's an import/export business, for instance, it could be sourced in the UK (regardless of where you are).

But if you provide any sort of personal services (that means any consulting), then it is sourced where you are located when you actually perform. So if you just send a work email with a bit of consulting from the US, that is considered US-sourced income. This is at least what tax laws say (de minimis exceptions apply).

[Italian_in_NYC 259]

15 hours ago, wandering said:

Meetings with potential customers & partners. This is allowed under both ESTA and a B1.

That's business development though, not actual work performed.

[payxibka 10,047]

3 hours ago, Boiler said:

When I first started flying out of Heathrow all you saw was the Airline people, last few times on flights to the US there was some sort of additional clearance you went through that was not Airline.

 

With ESTA there is of course a sort of pre clearance and they get the manifests so I can quite see someone boarding in the UK being turned away.

 

 

Heathrow and Gatwick are on the list of potential future pre-clearance sites but that has not yet been implemented.  They may be in some sort of pilot testing it however and that is what occurred

[Boiler 46,106]

I know it was not pre clearance.

 

I also know it was not BA.

[Italian_in_NYC 259]

Just curious how the pre-clearance would work (I haven't flown from Canada in over 8 years and don't remember).

Just for immigration purposes or Customs as well?

If the latter, the flight might just be treated as a domestic flight once it gets to the US.

[payxibka 10,047]

1 minute ago, Italian_in_NYC said:

Just curious how the pre-clearance would work (I haven't flown from Canada in over 8 years and don't remember).

Just for immigration purposes or Customs as well?

If the latter, the flight might just be treated as a domestic flight once it gets to the US.

Exactly, a pre-cleared flight does not have to disembark at the international arrival terminal and can proceed directly to a "normal" or domestic gate

[Italian_in_NYC 259]

Just now, payxibka said:

Exactly, a pre-cleared flight does not have to disembark at the international arrival terminal and can proceed directly to a "normal" or domestic gate

So you clear US customs as well when departing?

I remember clearing US immigration at Montreal airport, but don't remember US customs...

[SusieQQQ 11,587]

3 hours ago, Boiler said:

When I first started flying out of Heathrow all you saw was the Airline people, last few times on flights to the US there was some sort of additional clearance you went through that was not Airline.

 

With ESTA there is of course a sort of pre clearance and they get the manifests so I can quite see someone boarding in the UK being turned away.

 

 

I flew back via LHR in July, I don’t remember anything “extra”? 

[Italian_in_NYC 259]

By the way, there is some sort of pre-clearance (not CBP though) in Milan, Paris and other major airports in ESTA countries.

I fly most of the time in/out of Milan Malpensa and before you even get to check your bags, you have to go through a desk where they electronically check your status (I presume ESTA). I always get asked because I clearly look and speak Italian, but then I show them my US passport. Once I tried and gave them my Italian passport and they were puzzled and asked me for a green card (since I had no return ticket).

I don't know whether they are retained by US authorities or the airline. I presume the airline since they are responsible for the cost of flying back a person who is denied entry (and I think they get fined too, if there is a clear lack of documentation at boarding).

[Mollie09 1,543]

8 minutes ago, Italian_in_NYC said:

By the way, there is some sort of pre-clearance (not CBP though) in Milan, Paris and other major airports in ESTA countries.

I fly most of the time in/out of Milan Malpensa and before you even get to check your bags, you have to go through a desk where they electronically check your status (I presume ESTA). I always get asked because I clearly look and speak Italian, but then I show them my US passport. Once I tried and gave them my Italian passport and they were puzzled and asked me for a green card (since I had no return ticket).

I don't know whether they are retained by US authorities or the airline. I presume the airline since they are responsible for the cost of flying back a person who is denied entry (and I think they get fined too, if there is a clear lack of documentation at boarding).

 

That's just the airline making sure you have the correct documents to enter your destination country, not pre-clearance.

[Italian_in_NYC 259]

1 minute ago, Mollie09 said:

 

That's just the airline making sure you have the correct documents to enter your destination country, not pre-clearance.

Definitely not CBP, I know. But not airline or airport employees either. They are a third party. And only for US-bound flights.

Edited January 3, 2018 by Italian_in_NYC

[WeGuyGal 1,052]

28 minutes ago, Italian_in_NYC said:

So you clear US customs as well when departing? Yes.. Immigration and Customs, the whole shebang. Flight lands as domestic.

I remember clearing US immigration at Montreal airport, but don't remember US customs... My pre-clearance experience, Montreal into a domestic US airport, we had both Immi and Customs at YUL; fill out Customs declaration, bags may\may not be opened. 

 

[Pennycat 880]

I figured that OP found a good flight from one of the Irish pre-clearance airports and then took Ryanair or something to get there. When getting on in UK, they wouldn't even know he was US bound and the CBP in Ireland would notice the more than 90 day plans. People do this inside the US all the time, use a domestic airline (often Southwest) or possibly a voucher from a previously cancelled flight to position themselves in a strategic airport to get a better international fare (Miami if going to Central/South America, New York/Boston if going to Europe, LAX or San Francisco if going to Asia etc), or just to an airport that the airline happened to have a sale from. It can be much cheaper. 

[payxibka 10,047]

4 minutes ago, CatherineA said:

I figured that OP found a good flight from one of the Irish pre-clearance airports and then took Ryanair or something to get there. When getting on in UK, they wouldn't even know he was US bound and the CBP in Ireland would notice the more than 90 day plans. People do this inside the US all the time, use a domestic airline (often Southwest) or possibly a voucher from a previously cancelled flight to position themselves in a strategic airport to get a better international fare (Miami if going to Central/South America, New York/Boston if going to Europe, LAX or San Francisco if going to Asia etc), or just to an airport that the airline happened to have a sale from. It can be much cheaper. 

All a good theory except he claims to have never left the UK

[Pennycat 880]

7 minutes ago, payxibka said:

All a good theory except he claims to have never left the UK

Ah didn't read that part. IDK then. Weird.