Esta Revoked - should I rent a flat before reapplying?

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8 hours ago, wandering said:

 

I really need the visa for work

What do you mean, WORK? You CANNOT work in any capacity on a tourist visa, assuming you can get one in the future! The penalty is a lot worse than losing your ESTA privileges.

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4 minutes ago, databit said:

What do you mean, WORK? You CANNOT work in any capacity on a tourist visa, assuming you can get one in the future! The penalty is a lot worse than losing your ESTA privileges.

Meetings with potential customers & partners. This is allowed under both ESTA and a B1.

[JFH 12,191]

Well, you really have hung, drawn and quartered yourself by doing this. A ticket for more than 90 days, no concrete travel plans as to why you need more than 90 days, no job, no home and you even let them know you'd be "working" (although it sounds more like eBay selling or vlogging) here. They saw you coming and you made the officer's day. Never was one so easily refused. 

 

I'm curious about the denied boarding. Who did this and where? Was it a sharp-eyed check-in person at the airport who denied you when they noticed you had a ticket for longer than your maximum possible authorized stay? Or was this actually CBP at Dublin pre-clearance? The question has been asked twice already but with no answer given. Back in my early days in the airline business I was a lowly check-in agent. I would routinely deny passengers with one-way tickets or tickets for more than 90 days unless they could produce a visa, a green card or a US or Canadian passport. 

 

For what it's worth, a car and a flat won't help much. All of us who immigrated were living somewhere and driving something before we left. I had my flat in the U.K. until 24 hours before my flight took off. Returned the keys, went to the airport hotel, stayed the night and flew the next day. Who's to say you won't do the same? A quick look through the AOS forum here will show how easy it is for people to forget that they have flats, cars, pets at home. 

[SusieQQQ 11,587]

6 minutes ago, JFH said:

Back in my early days in the airline business I was a lowly check-in agent. I would routinely deny passengers with one-way tickets or tickets for more than 90 days unless they could produce a visa, a green card or a US or Canadian passport. 

 

 

I've been curious about this - if  the airline denies boarding to a passenger under such circumstances, do they inform CBP? 

 

I don't want to make the OP feel bad for what was essentially just a mistake , but this thread shows just what a privilege an ESTA is - in terms of how hard it is for someone like this to otherwise actually get a B visa.

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4 minutes ago, SusieQQQ said:

I've been curious about this - if  the airline denies boarding to a passenger under such circumstances, do they inform CBP? 

 

I don't want to make the OP feel bad for what was essentially just a mistake , but this thread shows just what a privilege an ESTA is - in terms of how hard it is for someone like this to otherwise actually get a B visa.

No. Airlines deny boarding for many reasons - insufficient documentation is just one reason. In such cases, immigration officials are not informed. If fraud or criminal activity is suspected (fake visa, stolen passport, etc) then the police would be involved but not for something like this. 

[SusieQQQ 11,587]

9 minutes ago, JFH said:

No. Airlines deny boarding for many reasons - insufficient documentation is just one reason. In such cases, immigration officials are not informed. If fraud or criminal activity is suspected (fake visa, stolen passport, etc) then the police would be involved but not for something like this. 

OK, but there had to be a CBP officer somewhere who knew about this for the ESTA to be revoked then? Do you know how that would happen? I seem to recall that I once saw a CBP officer called to a BA counter at LHR but I'm not 100% sure about that, it was a good while ago. Do they have any CBP guys there? It may just have been a more senior BA official coming along to advise.

Edited January 3, 2018 by SusieQQQ

[JFH 12,191]

55 minutes ago, SusieQQQ said:

OK, but there had to be a CBP officer somewhere who knew about this for the ESTA to be revoked then? Do you know how that would happen? I seem to recall that I once saw a CBP officer called to a BA counter at LHR but I'm not 100% sure about that, it was a good while ago. Do they have any CBP guys there? It may just have been a more senior BA official coming along to advise.

Yes it's a mystery. Dublin has full pre-clearance. 

 

Heathrow occasionally has CBP officers patrolling and they have been known to remove people from flights. As happened here: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/12/23/u-s-keeps-muslim-family-headed-to-disneyland-out-of-the-country/?utm_term=.e8b1590e76a3

 

but it's not a full immigration inspection. 

 

Due to the fact that we don't ever hear the CBP's side of the story, only the traveler's, it's unlikely that we get the full story. 

Edited January 3, 2018 by JFH

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13 minutes ago, JFH said:

Yes it's a mystery. Dublin has full pre-clearance. 

 

Heathrow occasionally has CBP officers patrolling and they have been known to remove people from flights. As happened here: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/12/23/u-s-keeps-muslim-family-headed-to-disneyland-out-of-the-country/?utm_term=.e8b1590e76a3

 

but it's not a full immigration inspection. 

 

Due to the fact that we don't ever hear the CBP's side of the story, only the traveler's, it's unlikely that we get the full story. 

 

Plot twist: she went through Toronto😂

 

In all seriously i am curious and I hope the OP would tell us how this happened. Did she fly thru Dublin? Or did thr airline person at Heathrow not let you check in with a >90 day ticket. But then who revoked it? And she said she talked to CBP.

 

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3 minutes ago, caliliving said:

 

Plot twist: she went through Toronto😂

 

In all seriously i am curious and I hope the OP would tell us how this happened. Did she fly thru Dublin? Or did thr airline person at Heathrow not let you check in with a >90 day ticket. But then who revoked it? And she said she talked to CBP.

 

He has said on several occasions that he NEVER left the UK.

 

Back in 2015, Heathrow and Gatwick were named as potential airports for pre-clearance sites but they have not been implemented yet.

 

It befuddles me where he ran into the CBP and never having left the UK, unless it was at Dublin or Shannon

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Just now, payxibka said:

He has said on several occasions that he NEVER left the UK.

 

Back in 2015, Heathrow and Gatwick were named as potential airports for pre-clearance sites but they have not been implemented yet.

 

It befuddles me where he ran into the CBP and never having left the UK, unless it was at Dublin or Shannon

ok so maybe a flight agent got ahold of CBP for clarification or to talk to her??? if they are around the airport??? maybe they called and pulled her aside?? 

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2 minutes ago, caliliving said:

ok so maybe a flight agent got ahold of CBP for clarification or to talk to her??? if they are around the airport??? maybe they called and pulled her aside?? 

Being a 10 year veteran of the airline industry, I can guaranty you that no gate agent turned anyone in to the CBP.  All gate agents do is see if they have the basic documents for entry and in no way do anything near a full inspection.  They would have verified his passport and his ESTA and that is about it.  Somehow he was subjected to a full inspection.  He even said shortly after his denied boarding (entry inspection) he received an e-mail with the ESTA revocation.  So it could not have been any wandering CBP officers because they would not have access to the inspection system.

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4 hours ago, WeGuyGal said:

A simple US Treasury form, nothing too onerous as long as funds are 'clean'.

Bank does any reporting. Nothing I have ever need to do.

[JFH 12,191]

8 hours ago, payxibka said:

 

 

It befuddles me where he ran into the CBP and never having left the UK, unless it was at Dublin or Shannon

Dublin and Shannon are not in the U.K. 

 

There's something else to this story that we are nit being told, as usual. 

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13 minutes ago, JFH said:

Dublin and Shannon are not in the U.K. 

 

There's something else to this story that we are nit being told, as usual. 

Yes, I already asked them same questions yesterday and OP has ignored it.  

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When I first started flying out of Heathrow all you saw was the Airline people, last few times on flights to the US there was some sort of additional clearance you went through that was not Airline.

 

With ESTA there is of course a sort of pre clearance and they get the manifests so I can quite see someone boarding in the UK being turned away.