Liz Peek: What Trump DIDN'T do in 2017: President's hysteria-prone critics must be sorely disappointed

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17 hours ago, Il Mango Dulce said:

I love the threads like this that tell everyone how hysterical or snowflaky "the left" ( which is now about 55 % of the US Population plus some solid Republicans) is on this topic or that, then we proceed to be snowflaked to death by the non-existent controversy.  It is quite funny to watch. 

55% of Americans are now Leftists?  Reference?

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11 hours ago, Boiler said:

I might go for that,  victims should be required to assist the authorities in bringing there persecutors to justice.

I agree and I would also add that under a revised DACA program there would be no path to citizenship (i.e. only permanent LPR status).  Sure, if their life changes such as marrying a USC, then this could change, but since they were brought to the country illegally, then citizenship should not be an option.

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9 hours ago, Il Mango Dulce said:

So you want the kids to rat out the parents? That is Lord of the Flies and 1985 all rolled into one.

So it is ratting someone out when they do something illegally?

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57 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

 

55% of Americans are now Leftists?  Reference?

There are a lot of us, but often the term seems to be used to refer to the MDL which is much much smaller.

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2 hours ago, Bill & Katya said:

 

55% of Americans are now Leftists?  Reference?

No reference, infernce. It is claimed that only the left thinks poorly of the president. 55% of American voters think poorly of the man.

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18 minutes ago, Il Mango Dulce said:

No reference, infernce. It is claimed that only the left thinks poorly of the president. 55% of American voters think poorly of the man.

55% of those polled may have painted him in a negative light.

 

What about the 90% who were not polled, or who chose not to respond?

 

You have to consider that those who are unhappiest are the likeliest to vote.  Those who are happy or ambivalent are not likely to go seeking a poll to vote in.  

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4 minutes ago, IDWAF said:

55% of those polled may have painted him in a negative light.

 

What about the 90% who were not polled, or who chose not to respond?

What poll are we even talking about?

 

If it's the election - I believe while turn out is never great, it was more than 10% of the population.

 

If it's one of many opinion polls - None of them poll 10% of the country. It's always much less. They also rarely report how many they contact who chose not to respond.

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1 minute ago, bcking said:

What poll are we even talking about?

You know, that one that makes Trump look bad.  Because it fits a certain narrative.

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Here’s a list I just found a few minutes ago.  Nothing ongoing that we can vote in, it seems.

 

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/trump-job-approval

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1 minute ago, IDWAF said:

Here’s a list I just found a few minutes ago.  Nothing ongoing that we can vote in, it seems.

 

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/trump-job-approval

Ya I've seen similar.

 

None of them ever allow people to just go in and vote. That's not how these polls work, and if they did do that they would be at risk of horrible horrible selection bias.

 

As it is though calling/contacting random and relying on them to respond is always at risk of bias. I know pollsters follow these things. I believe women are almost always over represented. I also believe Republicans/Right leaning people are typically over represented, but I'm not 100% sure on that. That may be just certain polls (ones of "likely voters").

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3 minutes ago, bcking said:

Ya I've seen similar.

 

None of them ever allow people to just go in and vote. That's not how these polls work, and if they did do that they would be at risk of horrible horrible selection bias.

 

As it is though calling/contacting random and relying on them to respond is always at risk of bias. I know pollsters follow these things. I believe women are almost always over represented. I also believe Republicans/Right leaning people are typically over represented, but I'm not 100% sure on that. That may be just certain polls (ones of "likely voters").

I know I must not fit their profile.  Never gotten a call in the past 35 years.

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18 minutes ago, IDWAF said:

Here’s a list I just found a few minutes ago.  Nothing ongoing that we can vote in, it seems.

 

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/trump-job-approval

The most people asked was just under 3,000. Most are 1500 or less.

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55% of American voters think poorly of the man.

 

So where and how was this obtained?

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8 minutes ago, IDWAF said:

I know I must not fit their profile.  Never gotten a call in the past 35 years.

I've never been called either, though for me it's about 15 years since they would have. I haven't had a land line in the last...10 years though. I know more recently polls are using systems to call cells as well, though I believe those are costly so it's less common.

 

They are always subject to bias based on who they reach out to. Some adjust for that by taking demographic info and then weighting some responses more than others. Otherwise you just do a large poll and accept that there is some bias. With a large enough N it wouldn't shift the results massively unless it was a massive systematic problem in the methodology. 

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1 minute ago, Boiler said:

The most people asked was just under 3,000. Most are 1500 or less.

Keep in mind that a random (key point) sample of 1500-3000 is way more than enough to make a statistical inference on the entire population. That's the strength of randomization.

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Just now, bcking said:

Keep in mind that a random (key point) sample of 1500-3000 is way more than enough to make a statistical inference on the entire population. That's the strength of randomization.

55% of American voters think poorly of the man.

 

No mention of it being a poll. Read the statement.