Trump: Give Me a Border Wall or I’ll Deport the Dreamers

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

3 minutes ago, missileman said:

Please define this term.....

By example: folks mistake their B2 Visa date for their authorized I94 dates. An overstay is defined by an I94. The AOS for marriage might be another example if the paperwork is delayed.

[Crazy Cat 41,880]

1 minute ago, Il Mango Dulce said:

folks mistake their B2 Visa date for their authorized I94 dates.

That not a legit example.  

[-Trinity- 513]

3 minutes ago, IDWAF said:

Overstaying has always been a crime.  Rarely prosecuted, unfortunately. 

If it has been a crime from the beginning, why does this person ( Labrador?) say " overstaying should be a crime?"

[yuna628 9,676]

2 minutes ago, IDWAF said:

You're right.   Get married if you want.  That also does not give you the right to reside in the US.  Nor should it, ever. 

 

As I said.... go home, file for a visa, legally.

The right to reside in the US is given during the AOS process, as you know. A person who marries on the VWP (naughty naughty!) is given protection to stay during that process, even though those who wait in line via spouse and fiancé visas really rather sometimes thumb their nose at them. Bills like this would likely make that a crime. How do we feel about that really?

 

Let's say the person goes back home after marrying (we all recommend that on this forum of course... and you'll likely find no disagreement between you and me that the person should go back home and continue the process there as well) - is the person any more vetted while sitting home abroad than they are remaining with the new spouse stateside and finishing the AOS process to begin with? We see no evidence that's the case. It may bother us that a person is taking 'shortcuts', but it doesn't make our process any more effective, efficient, or safer.

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

3 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

Sometimes I think to myself ''they can't be that malicious of an individual can they?" on the other hand I wonder if it is just pure ignorance in the matter. They can get their wonks to write bills for them out of some idea they pulled out of you know where, but they have no real fine understanding of how the system works to begin with. And if no one is going to actually read and understand what was written and the law currently on the books... well...

There is no interest in fine grained understanding. Bannon made it clear that he is promoting economic populism for US Citizens only. Even green cards and families of the naturalied are a target for him. He made this clear in the 60 minutes interview.

[Boiler 45,519]

2 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

The right to reside in the US is given during the AOS process, as you know. A person who marries on the VWP (naughty naughty!) is given protection to stay during that process, even though those who wait in line via spouse and fiancé visas really rather sometimes thumb their nose at them. Bills like this would likely make that a crime. How do we feel about that really?

 

Let's say the person goes back home after marrying (we all recommend that on this forum of course... and you'll likely find no disagreement between you and me that the person should go back home and continue the process there as well) - is the person any more vetted while sitting home abroad than they are remaining with the new spouse stateside and finishing the AOS process to begin with? We see no evidence that's the case. It may bother us that a person is taking 'shortcuts', but it doesn't make our process any more effective, efficient, or safer.

I recommend staying and adjusting, if possible.

[yuna628 9,676]

7 minutes ago, -Trinity- said:

And that is why it's a slippery slope. 

 

I do think America has a problem with illegal immigration. Although I understand the motives of the people who are illegal and want a better life for themselves like every human being. I also understand why a country needs to take precautions. But I also think people should be aware of what they root for, it might backfire. 

Agreed. And this is why there are many (even in republican and libertarian circles) who see very big problem with ideas and bills like this. There's actually some bipartisan agreement, even though they are often not the loudest voices.

 

 

Can't insert the quote from you Boiler, in this edit: but if that's what you'd recommend, that's not the way a lot of people see things.. and it's not a recommendation that would be proposed.

 

 

 

Edited December 31, 2017 by yuna628

[-Trinity- 513]

2 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

 may bother us that a person is taking 'shortcuts', but it doesn't make our process any more effective, efficient, or safer.

On the contrary. 

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

3 minutes ago, -Trinity- said:

If it has been a crime from the beginning, why does this person ( Labrador?) say " overstaying should be a crime?"

It has not been a crime. If you overstay more than 180 days you have a three year ban that you can overcome with help. 

Not a misdemeanor, not a felony. 

[Boiler 45,519]

1 minute ago, Il Mango Dulce said:

It has not been a crime. If you overstay more than 180 days you have a three year ban that you can overcome with help. 

Not a misdemeanor, not a felony. 

Hence the need for CIR.

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

3 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

Agreed. And this is why there are many (even in republican and libertarian circles) who see very big problem with ideas and bills like this. There's actually some bipartisan agreement, even though they are often not the loudest voices.

 

 

Can't insert the quote from you Boiler, in this edit: but if that's what you'd recommend, that's not the way a lot of people see things.. and it's not a recommendation that would be proposed.

 

 

 

If we talk about the possibility that one can AOS as a current event can we get a ban?

[-Trinity- 513]

1 minute ago, Il Mango Dulce said:

It has not been a crime. If you overstay more than 180 days you have a three year ban that you can overcome with help. 

Not a misdemeanor, not a felony. 

That's what I thought too. 

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

Just now, Boiler said:

Hence the need for CIR.

Cir?  

[-Trinity- 513]

What is CIR?

[Boiler 45,519]

Huh?

 

Comprehensive Immigration Reform

 

Has been talked about for decades.