Trump: Give Me a Border Wall or I’ll Deport the Dreamers

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

5 minutes ago, Il Mango Dulce said:

Agreed. The question is what provision will be in the new bill to protect AOS and unintentional overstays?

There has been no "protection" for AOS ever, has there?  Don't really see a need for it now.

 

Not sure what an "unintentional overstay" is.  Pretty sure the only way to remain here past a visa is intentionally. 

[yuna628 9,712]

8 minutes ago, IDWAF said:

Being out of status does not make one a felon automatically.  As long as you have followed the process correctly, out of status is no biggie.

The proposed change would theoretically, as discussed by those promoting such bills - make a person who overstayed (including those who unintentionally overstayed), married, and adjusted a potential felon.

6 minutes ago, IDWAF said:

Those making the proposals are not seeking to lower the number of legal immigrations per year, I'm sure.  Just make sure those that move forward ARE legal.

That is completely false and contrary to the language of the bills proposed and the expressed desires of the authors.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

1 minute ago, -Trinity- said:

I don't agree, it's a slippery slope imho.

 

It doesn't mention anything about exemptions for people who follow the rules afterwards when they marry a USC.

Being out of status while getting a spouse or fiance visa happens quite often.  Unless you get caught somewhere breaking the law, no one would ever know to look.  But if you DO do something that lands you in front of law enforcement, then an immigration judge may get involved. 

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

1 minute ago, yuna628 said:

The proposed change would theoretically, as discussed by those promoting such bills - make a person who overstayed (including those who unintentionally overstayed), married, and adjusted a potential felon.

There's a name for that.   It's called ILLEGAL immigration,  right?  Want to get married?  Go home and apply for the appropriate visa.  That makes it LEGAL immigration. 

[yuna628 9,712]

5 minutes ago, -Trinity- said:

I don't agree, it's a slippery slope imho.

 

It doesn't mention anything about exemptions for people who follow the rules afterwards when they marry a USC.

 

And how much of that 40% are people who overstayed their visa but are in the AOS process? Does anyone know?

It doesn't mention anything about exemptions, because that is the purpose of it. Legal immigrants who followed the correct process, are soon going to be bearing the brunt of regulations because no one is willing to actually and seriously reform the system.

[-Trinity- 513]

2 minutes ago, IDWAF said:

Being out of status while getting a spouse or fiance visa happens quite often.  Unless you get caught somewhere breaking the law, no one would ever know to look.  But if you DO do something that lands you in front of law enforcement, then an immigration judge may get involved. 

According to the quote, this bill would make overstaying a crime. I'm just wondering what the consequences will be for people who are in the middle of AOS and have overstayed their visa.

 

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

Just now, IDWAF said:

There has been no "protection" for AOS ever, has there?  Don't really see a need for it now.

 

Not sure what an "unintentional overstay" is.  Pretty sure the only way to remain here past a visa is intentionally. 

There is no need to protect the AOS but there is no need for one to go into potential criminal status while the beaucracy does it thing. If you take the statements of the congressman literally, the law would do that.

 

There are a number of legit scenarios where visa renewals do not arrive as intended.

[Crazy Cat 42,293]

15 minutes ago, Il Mango Dulce said:

unintentional overstays

Please define this term.....

[yuna628 9,712]

2 minutes ago, IDWAF said:

There's a name for that.   It's called ILLEGAL immigration,  right?  Want to get married?  Go home and apply for the appropriate visa.  That makes it LEGAL immigration. 

Marriage is in the domain of the state. A visa is not required to get married, you know that.

 

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

1 minute ago, yuna628 said:

Marriage is in the domain of the state. A visa is not required to get married, you know that.

 

You're right.   Get married if you want.  That also does not give you the right to reside in the US.  Nor should it, ever. 

 

As I said.... go home, file for a visa, legally.

[Crazy Cat 42,293]

1 minute ago, Il Mango Dulce said:

There is no need to protect the AOS but there is no need for one to go into potential criminal status while the beaucracy does it thing. If you take the statements of the congressman literally, the law would do that.

 

There are a number of legit scenarios where visa renewals do not arrive as intended.

Please show me a "legit scenario" where a person overstayed a B2 visa.  Only a valid emergency medical condition comes to mind......

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

4 minutes ago, -Trinity- said:

According to the quote, this bill would make overstaying a crime. I'm just wondering what the consequences will be for people who are in the middle of AOS and have overstayed their visa.

 

Overstaying has always been a crime.  Rarely prosecuted, unfortunately. 

[yuna628 9,712]

2 minutes ago, Il Mango Dulce said:

There is no need to protect the AOS but there is no need for one to go into potential criminal status while the beaucracy does it thing. If you take the statements of the congressman literally, the law would do that.

 

There are a number of legit scenarios where visa renewals do not arrive as intended.

Sometimes I think to myself ''they can't be that malicious of an individual can they?" on the other hand I wonder if it is just pure ignorance in the matter. They can get their wonks to write bills for them out of some idea they pulled out of you know where, but they have no real fine understanding of how the system works to begin with. And if no one is going to actually read and understand what was written and the law currently on the books... well...

[-Trinity- 513]

11 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

It doesn't mention anything about exemptions, because that is the purpose of it. Legal immigrants who followed the correct process, are soon going to be bearing the brunt of regulations because no one is willing to actually and seriously reform the system.

And that is why it's a slippery slope. 

 

I do think America has a problem with illegal immigration. Although I understand the motives of the people who are illegal and want a better life for themselves like every human being. I also understand why a country needs to take precautions. But I also think people should be aware of what they root for, it might backfire. The procedure is already extremely bureaucratic, yet it didn't prevent any illegal immigration....

Edited December 31, 2017 by -Trinity-

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

12 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

The proposed change would theoretically, as discussed by those promoting such bills - make a person who overstayed (including those who unintentionally overstayed), married, and adjusted a potential felon.

That is completely false and contrary to the language of the bills proposed and the expressed desires of the authors.

Theoretically they are now. Nothing will change