Renew tourist visa....fiance... sticky situation. Contact embassy? Need advice

[Lemonslice 4,968]

14 minutes ago, Kensie05 said:

Actually they may be able to especially if they have gone through it. From what I understand the paper title would not say "orfi". The islamic religious paper can be a standard marriage form document and the parties interpret it and officially record it or not. I asked because it seems a few others that responded on here asked me & have some specific knowledge of what is typical in an orfi process vs recorded vs official marriage/divorce. Thats why I wrote initially "engagement/informal marriage" because I didnt formally register it there. 

 If it is important for you to know (!), you might want to consult with a lawyer with knowledge of the Egyptian law/documents then - I would not trust strangers on the interwebs if it were me. 

[Kensie05 0]

4 minutes ago, Lemonslice said:

 If it is important for you to know (!), you might want to consult with a lawyer with knowledge of the Egyptian law/documents then - I would not trust strangers on the interwebs if it were me. 

Understood. Good point. Thank u

[Boiler 46,102]

Bigamous at worst.

[SusieQQQ 11,587]

53 minutes ago, Boiler said:

Bigamous at worst.

May be legal where the husband lives. But obviously doesn’t work for US immigration. 

Edited January 3, 2018 by SusieQQQ

[Boiler 46,102]

6 hours ago, SusieQQQ said:

May be legal where the husband lives. But obviously doesn’t work for US immigration. 

And not legal where she is.

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5229325/Boyfriend-British-woman-jailed-Egypt-sacked.html

 

Back to the Laura story:

 

Two years ago Miss Plummer and Mr Azim had an Orfi marriage, which is not registered with the state but allows them to share a hotel room. He has another wife and two children.

He says he still considers Miss Plummer to be his wife. Polygamy is legal for men in Egypt.

The pair met four years ago at the Hilton resort, a sprawling, palm-tree lined luxury resort which sits next to other resorts lining the Red Sea coastline. It has 630 rooms, seven pools, ten bars and restaurants and a private beach with diving centre and water sports.

Mr Azim, 34, was working as a beach boy and Miss Plummer, 33, was on holiday.

The shop worker, from Hull, is being held in a police station cell in Hurghada, where she was caught with the Tramadol after landing there.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5229325/Boyfriend-British-woman-jailed-Egypt-sacked.html#ixzz537pTYoof 
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[SusieQQQ 11,587]

Anyway regardless of what’s legal, OP deserves better than this guy.

[Beth & Achraf 328]

12 hours ago, Kensie05 said:

I dont know if its orfi. Its was a small ceremony at a mosque where there was an imam and an office and he had a form contract and wanted passport pictures and had witnesses sign and the imam did the papers and all signed. It was in Egypt. There were 2 ink copies and our fingerprints and I got both copies with me. I cant read arabic. The imam said I can go to register them in the place where they record docs for the country but I havent because honestly at the time I was more focused on an upcoming normal American process of filing, planning a marriage, filing in a county courthouse for a cert & a normal ceremony with friends & fam back home and going that route. 

Do you by chance still have a copy ?   You may want to find a attorney here in the US with knowledge of law back in Egypt

I know one , but he is here in Houston, affordable and easy to talk to.   I also have 2 friends who were attorney in Egypt before they came here.   They have assisted me on some legal questions I had years ago when I was in Egypt.

[WeGuyGal 1,052]

57 minutes ago, SusieQQQ said:

Anyway regardless of what’s legal, OP deserves better than this guy.

Amen

[SusieQQQ 11,587]

1 hour ago, Beth & Achraf said:

Do you by chance still have a copy ?   You may want to find a attorney here in the US with knowledge of law back in Egypt

I know one , but he is here in Houston, affordable and easy to talk to.   I also have 2 friends who were attorney in Egypt before they came here.   They have assisted me on some legal questions I had years ago when I was in Egypt.

I’m not following why the OP needs a lawyer? The marriage was never formalized/registered. All she needs to do is walk away.

[CEE53147 559]

38 minutes ago, SusieQQQ said:

I’m not following why the OP needs a lawyer? The marriage was never formalized/registered. All she needs to do is walk away.

 

When there are even possible legal issues, consulting an attorney is always an appropriate thing to do. Just be sure the attorney is qualified in the area of the question.

[SusieQQQ 11,587]

2 hours ago, CEE53147 said:

 

When there are even possible legal issues, consulting an attorney is always an appropriate thing to do. Just be sure the attorney is qualified in the area of the question.

What are the possible legal issues? I’m just not seeing what they are. According to US law she cannot be married, so there’s no legal relationship.  What possible issues will she be needing to contact an attorney about? If you broke off with a boyfriend or fiancé in another country, you wouldn’t be running to attorneys?

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3 hours ago, SusieQQQ said:

What are the possible legal issues? I’m just not seeing what they are. According to US law she cannot be married, so there’s no legal relationship.  What possible issues will she be needing to contact an attorney about? If you broke off with a boyfriend or fiancé in another country, you wouldn’t be running to attorneys?

Makes you wonder what in life there is where you should not consult a lawyer first?

[andy78 178]

On 1/2/2018 at 11:17 PM, Kensie05 said:

Is this considered orfi? ... what I wrote "dont know if its orfi. Its was a small ceremony at a mosque where there was an imam and an office and he had a form contract and wanted passport pictures and had witnesses sign and the imam did the papers and all signed. It was in Egypt. There were 2 ink copies and our fingerprints and I got both copies with me. I cant read arabic. The imam said I can go to register them in the place where they record docs for the country but I havent because honestly at the time I was more focused on an upcoming normal American process of filing, planning a marriage, filing in a county courthouse for a cert & a normal ceremony with friends & fam back home and going that route." 

Doesn't sound like orfi. Sounds like a normal marriage process, and the documents should have been registered. As for planning marriage in the US, you cannot marry the person again if you are already married. At this point you need to consult with an attorney to see what needs to be done to get a divorce.

[SusieQQQ 11,587]

9 minutes ago, andy78 said:

Doesn't sound like orfi. Sounds like a normal marriage process, and the documents should have been registered. As for planning marriage in the US, you cannot marry the person again if you are already married. At this point you need to consult with an attorney to see what needs to be done to get a divorce.

The person was already married to someone else, so the marriage cannot be recognized as legal in the US. Just like you can’t marry a person you are already married to, you can’t divorce a person you’re not married to.

 

“...even if the marriage is valid where celebrated, it is void as against public policy in the United States because it is a polygamous marriage and, therefore, cannot be recognized as valid marriage...”

From an article with a bunch of legal precedents on polygamy, immigration etc https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2014/11/05/polygamous-foreign-marriages-under-u-s-law/?utm_term=.af69fc86c7aa

Edited January 4, 2018 by SusieQQQ

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5 hours ago, SusieQQQ said:

The person was already married to someone else, so the marriage cannot be recognized as legal in the US. Just like you can’t marry a person you are already married to, you can’t divorce a person you’re not married to.

 

“...even if the marriage is valid where celebrated, it is void as against public policy in the United States because it is a polygamous marriage and, therefore, cannot be recognized as valid marriage...”

From an article with a bunch of legal precedents on polygamy, immigration etc https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2014/11/05/polygamous-foreign-marriages-under-u-s-law/?utm_term=.af69fc86c7aa

Weirdly some States do allow you to marry the same person more than once without a divorce.