Analysts Cut iPhone X Shipment Forecasts, Citing Lukewarm Demand

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2 minutes ago, Boiler said:

I have a Moto on Republic not very much bloat.

 

I was messing around with my Vizio Smart TV and could not delete Yahoo? Yahoo, really?

 

I was thinking of getting an Amazon discounted one with their bloat, not that much, or a Pixel but mega bucks.

I did the "Google financing" and pay like 24 bucks a month for 2 years interest free. It's not that bad.

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Nearly $600

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46 minutes ago, bcking said:

she steals my phone to take photos because the camera is better (or at least just as good...debateable) and it has unlimited cloud storage without having to pay for it....we have over 1,000 photos of our dog now... 

This sounds so familiar 

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12 hours ago, yuna628 said:

Yeah... my hatred for Verizon prevents me from the phone I know I'd love...

I have a love-hate relationship with them too. For now we're on good terms.

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2 hours ago, spookyturtle said:

If you have the Google phone you will get the updates pushed to your device, ditto for Apple, and not the case for any other manufacturer. I guess I'm not understanding why getting bug fixes, security patches, etc via updates is a bad thing and that it's better not to get them.

My Samsung has had a few updates this year.  It went from Marshmallow to Nougat in February (I seem to recall), and G935VVRU4BQK4 on 14 December, G935VVRUBQK2 on 1 December were the two most recent software updates.  Not sure why you are saying the phones don’t get updated.  Of course they do.

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4 hours ago, spookyturtle said:

There is a new version of Android every year just as there is with iOS. And there are minor updates to both during the course of the year. With Apple or Google, you will get these updates as soon as they are available which is not the case with Samsung or any of the other manufacturers who use Android.

 

Jelly Bean 2012

KitKat 2013

Lollipop 2014

Marshmallow 2015

Nougat 2016

Oreo 2017

Nougat for Samsung phones deployed early 2017.  And my phone got that update.  Oreo 8.0 just deployed for Google and Nexus phones this month.  

 

My Ipad has had 38 updates in the nearly three years I have had it. 9 of those have been in the past 3 months.

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25 minutes ago, IDWAF said:

Nougat for Samsung phones deployed early 2017.  And my phone got that update.  Oreo 8.0 just deployed for Google and Nexus phones this month.  

 

My Ipad has had 38 updates in the nearly three years I have had it. 9 of those have been in the past 3 months.

Nougat released in August 2016...that is pretty safely in the "2016" window. Samsung getting it that late is Samsung's problem, not Google or Android.

 

I would separate "updates" that add no major features but instead patch/fix things from the larger core content updates. 

 

Having fewer small patches isn't necessary a bad thing. If they mostly fix problems, it may be a reflection of having less problems to begin with.

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This is good food for thought because I have to get a new phone now since going to my new job and having to give up my S6 because it was a work phone. 

We are moving to a rural area and I am wanting to see how my wife's phone service is there(we have T-Mobile) before I decide on the service. 

 

I do like Samsung phones over Apple due to the customization you can do with the apps over Apple's phones.

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5 minutes ago, bcking said:

Nougat released in August 2016...that is pretty safely in the "2016" window. Samsung getting it that late is Samsung's problem, not Google or Android.

 

I would separate "updates" that add no major features but instead patch/fix things from the larger core content updates. 

 

Having fewer small patches isn't necessary a bad thing. If they mostly fix problems, it may be a reflection of having less problems to begin with.

Since you want to get specific... Nougat was released 22 Aug 16, and Nexus phones got it first.  Then other Google phone versions.  As I said, my Samsung got it around February.  Oreo is out for Nexus and Google phones, but not for Samsung yet.  They have to test it to see if the old phones can handle it, I would imagine.  Or perhaps they are only going to deploy it with the S8.  Too early to tell yet.

 

I never said patches are a bad thing.  Just adding support for my earlier claim that IOS has more frequent updates than AOS.  Possibly because AOS is a better OS in general, or perhaps more thorough testing is done prior to the initial release of each version.  Apple is known to rush their releases, and then have to patch them right away.  They learned from Microsoft, it seems.

 

 

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4 minutes ago, IDWAF said:

Since you want to get specific... Nougat was released 22 Aug 16, and Nexus phones got it first.  Then other Google phone versions.  As I said, my Samsung got it around February.  Oreo is out for Nexus and Google phones, but not for Samsung yet.  They have to test it to see if the old phones can handle it, I would imagine.  Or perhaps they are only going to deploy it with the S8.  Too early to tell yet.

 

I never said patches are a bad thing.  Just adding support for my earlier claim that IOS has more frequent updates than AOS.  Possibly because AOS is a better OS in general, or perhaps more thorough testing is done prior to the initial release of each version.  Apple is known to rush their releases, and then have to patch them right away.  They learned from Microsoft, it seems.

 

 

No point in further discussion. 

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19 minutes ago, cyberfx1024 said:

This is good food for thought because I have to get a new phone now since going to my new job and having to give up my S6 because it was a work phone. 

We are moving to a rural area and I am wanting to see how my wife's phone service is there(we have T-Mobile) before I decide on the service. 

 

I do like Samsung phones over Apple due to the customization you can do with the apps over Apple's phones.

Talk to co-workers who live near you is my advice.  It can be quite location-specific.  I remember once switching between Sprint and AT&T.  One worked well at work, but I could barely make any calls from home.  When I switched, the problem reversed itself.  And work was only about 10 miles from home, go figure.

 

But people who live and work in one area typically have fewer issues; talking to people who have been living and working where you’re going will be able to tell you best.  Also, make sure no matter WHAT service you pick, you have 30 days for a full refund if it proves unsatisfactory for you.

 

If you happen to end up switching carriers, ask what they offer.  Several will buy out old plans, offer two for the price of one on brand new phones, etc.  You should end up money ahead when making a switch, if you do your homework.  Highly recommend NOT walking into a store to do your educating; like a used car salesman, their job is to close the sale before you walk out the door, period.

 

 

1 minute ago, spookyturtle said:

No point in further discussion. 

Then your post is unnecessary.  Just admit you mis-spoke, and we can move on.

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5 minutes ago, IDWAF said:

Talk to co-workers who live near you is my advice.  It can be quite location-specific.  I remember once switching between Sprint and AT&T.  One worked well at work, but I could barely make any calls from home.  When I switched, the problem reversed itself.  And work was only about 10 miles from home, go figure.

 

But people who live and work in one area typically have fewer issues; talking to people who have been living and working where you’re going will be able to tell you best.  Also, make sure no matter WHAT service you pick, you have 30 days for a full refund if it proves unsatisfactory for you.

 

If you happen to end up switching carriers, ask what they offer.  Several will buy out old plans, offer two for the price of one on brand new phones, etc.  You should end up money ahead when making a switch, if you do your homework.  Highly recommend NOT walking into a store to do your educating; like a used car salesman, their job is to close the sale before you walk out the door, period.

 

 

Then your post is unnecessary.  Just admit you mis-spoke, and we can move on.

 I misspoke. Priceless. 

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15 minutes ago, IDWAF said:

Since you want to get specific... Nougat was released 22 Aug 16, and Nexus phones got it first.  Then other Google phone versions.  As I said, my Samsung got it around February.  Oreo is out for Nexus and Google phones, but not for Samsung yet.  They have to test it to see if the old phones can handle it, I would imagine.  Or perhaps they are only going to deploy it with the S8.  Too early to tell yet.

 

I never said patches are a bad thing.  Just adding support for my earlier claim that IOS has more frequent updates than AOS.  Possibly because AOS is a better OS in general, or perhaps more thorough testing is done prior to the initial release of each version.  Apple is known to rush their releases, and then have to patch them right away.  They learned from Microsoft, it seems.

 

 

If I can find my old charger I'll boot up my Nexus 5 and see if it can get the Oreo update. It's a 4 year old phone.

 

I don't think the age of the phones is the issue. I think it's entirely the manufacturer wanting to shorten the lifespan of each phone model.

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7 minutes ago, bcking said:

If I can find my old charger I'll boot up my Nexus 5 and see if it can get the Oreo update. It's a 4 year old phone.

 

I don't think the age of the phones is the issue. I think it's entirely the manufacturer wanting to shorten the lifespan of each phone model.

That is likely a lot of it.  I don’t think Apple is the only one guilty of purposely adding software to run batteries down faster or to slow down processing speeds.

But as apps get more processor-intense, the older phones have to take a hit.  Not sure this is as big of a performance hit as with computer software, but it has to factor in as well, probably to a lesser degree than the ploy to get people to buy newer phones.  We are all being scammed, regardless of which brand we prefer.

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2 minutes ago, IDWAF said:

That is likely a lot of it.  I don’t think Apple is the only one guilty of purposely adding software to run batteries down faster or to slow down processing speeds.

But as apps get more processor-intense, the older phones have to take a hit.  Not sure this is as big of a performance hit as with computer software, but it has to factor in as well, probably to a lesser degree than the ploy to get people to buy newer phones.  We are all being scammed, regardless of which brand we prefer.

Absolutely.

 

I was quite happy with how long I managed to use my Nexus 5. In that same amount of time I know people who went through 3 or 4. I would have kept it longer but my wife kept hounding me. With a charger at my work computer and in my car I could keep using it even though the battery died after 6 hours.

 

It made me feel less guilty spending the money on the Pixel 2 since ive gone so long without an update.