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Posted

Hi there

 

I've read a few stories of people in roughly the same position as we are in now, and they have all somehow been successful.  The specifics however may be a little different and so I ask for advice.  Here are our details followed by our ultimate question-

 

  • My wife is a US citizen.  We applied for the spousal visa and have only received the NOA1 (around 8 months ago)
  • I am from the UK and can obtain the ESTA (I have used this twice for a few months at a time in the summers whilst visiting my wife's family etc)

 

I am thinking of simply going out there on the ESTA, filling for adjustment of status and also filing for the work permit which will allow me to work whilst awaiting the decision of the adjustment of status.  Again, I have read cases of couples doing this and having total success - the only difference is that we have an I-130 already pending and I'm not sure if this would cause us any difficulty.

 

Answers will be greatly appreciated

Many Thanks

Posted

It's illegal to enter the US on the Visa Waiver Program with the intent to remain and adjust status.

 

Terrible idea. More so by the fact you already have documented immigrant intent by the fact you're already married and have a pending petition!

 

Put your head in front of your heart and wait it out. It will likely be not much longer. 

Posted

Entering the US via ESTA or a non-immigrant visa with the intent to Adjust Status is not allowed.  It is fraud.....and it can result in severe consequences as stated in this article:

 

https://www.soundimmigration.com/can-i-enter-on-a-visitors-visa-b-2-and-then-adjust-status-to-permanent-resident/

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In summary, it took 13 months for approval of the CR-1.  It took 44 months for approval of the I-751.  It took 4 months for approval of the N-400.   It took 172 days from N-400 application to Oath Ceremony.   It took 6 weeks for Passport, then 7 additional weeks for return of wife's Naturalization Certificate.. 
 

Posted
1 minute ago, liamthepianist said:

Thanks Tom169

 

I see you are also from the UK.  I believe I did a terrible thing - I filed with the US rather than filing directly with the London Embassy and I have no way to move my case to the London Embassy.  Apparently they are much quicker to get everything done!

 

Any ideas?

 

Grateful

Liam

Filing a petition with the US consulate in London, sometimes referred to as Direct Consular Filing, is only when the US citizen lives in the UK too.

 

If this was the case then sure it may have been quicker. However, filing via the US isn't terrible or the end of the world, just takes longer. 

Posted (edited)

One more thing-  It has been stated that this site is monitored by USCIS.  In addition, the moderators of this site have zero tolerance for anyone even remotely discussing visa/immigration fraud as you did in the original post.

 

EDIT:  Misrepresentation when entering the US can result in big, big problems.

Edited by missileman

"The US immigration process requires a great deal of knowledge, planning, time, patience, and a significant amount of money.  It is quite a journey!"

- Some old child of the 50's & 60's on his laptop 

 

Senior Master Sergeant, US Air Force- Retired (after 20+ years)- Missile Systems Maintenance & Titan 2 ICBM Launch Crew Duty (200+ Alert tours)

Registered Nurse- Retired- I practiced in the areas of Labor & Delivery, Home Health, Adolescent Psych, & Adult Psych.

IT Professional- Retired- Web Site Design, Hardware Maintenance, Compound Pharmacy Software Trainer, On-site go live support, Database Manager, App Designer.

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In summary, it took 13 months for approval of the CR-1.  It took 44 months for approval of the I-751.  It took 4 months for approval of the N-400.   It took 172 days from N-400 application to Oath Ceremony.   It took 6 weeks for Passport, then 7 additional weeks for return of wife's Naturalization Certificate.. 
 

Posted

OP: at this point you are 8 months in and have already spent the money - spousal visas can take up to a year or so. Therefore it's only some more months of waiting. Yes you'll have some more of the process to go through, but then it's done, you'll have a green card and can move forward together with your lives.

 

As others have told you, what you proposed in the first post was fraud. You're going to find that with immigration things take a great deal longer than you anticipate. You could always have the USC put in an inquiry with a congressperson if you feel it's taking too long.

Our Journey Timeline  - Immigration and the Health Exchange Price of Love in the UK Thinking of Returning to UK?

 

First met: 12/31/04 - Engaged: 9/24/09
Filed I-129F: 10/4/14 - Packet received: 10/7/14
NOA 1 email + ARN assigned: 10/10/14 (hard copy 10/17/14)
Touched on website (fixed?): 12/9/14 - Poked USCIS: 4/1/15
NOA 2 email: 5/4/15 (hard copy 5/11/15)
Sent to NVC: 5/8/15 - NVC received + #'s assigned: 5/15/15 (estimated)
NVC sent: 5/19/15 - London received/ready: 5/26/15
Packet 3: 5/28/15 - Medical: 6/16/15
Poked London 7/1/15 - Packet 4: 7/2/15
Interview: 7/30/15 - Approved!
AP + Issued 8/3/15 - Visa in hand (depot): 8/6/15
POE: 8/27/15

Wedding: 9/30/15

Filed I-485, I-131, I-765: 11/7/15

Packet received: 11/9/15

NOA 1 txt/email: 11/15/15 - NOA 1 hardcopy: 11/19/15

Bio: 12/9/15

EAD + AP approved: 1/25/16 - EAD received: 2/1/16

RFE for USCIS inability to read vax instructions: 5/21/16 (no e-notification & not sent from local office!)

RFE response sent: 6/7/16 - RFE response received 6/9/16

AOS approved/card in production: 6/13/16  

NOA 2 hardcopy + card sent 6/17/16

Green Card received: 6/18/16

USCIS 120 day reminder notice: 2/22/18

Filed I-751: 5/2/18 - Packet received: 5/4/18

NOA 1:  5/29/18 (12 mo ext) 8/13/18 (18 mo ext)  - Bio: 6/27/18

Transferred: Potomac Service Center 3/26/19

Approved/New Card Produced status: 4/25/19 - NOA2 hardcopy 4/29/19

10yr Green Card Received: 5/2/19 with error >_<

N400 : 7/16/23 - Oath : 10/19/23

 

 

 

Posted
2 hours ago, liamthepianist said:

I am thinking of simply going out there on the ESTA, filling for adjustment of status and also filing for the work permit which will allow me to work whilst awaiting the decision of the adjustment of status.

You are thinking of committing visa fraud. Do not do this.

 

2 hours ago, liamthepianist said:

 Again, I have read cases of couples doing this and having total success - the only difference is that we have an I-130 already pending and I'm not sure if this would cause us any difficulty.

This is not the only difference. Be very careful when reading about other people's circumstances and relating them to your own. Many times, there are key differences that you may not be aware of.

You are permitted to AOS after entry via an ESTA. You are NOT permitted to enter the US with intent to do so. This is a massive difference.

Timelines:

ROC:

Spoiler

7/27/20: Sent forms to Dallas lockbox, 7/30/20: Received by USCIS, 8/10 NOA1 electronic notification received, 8/1/ NOA1 hard copy received

AOS:

Spoiler

AOS (I-485 + I-131 + I-765):

9/25/17: sent forms to Chicago, 9/27/17: received by USCIS, 10/4/17: NOA1 electronic notification received, 10/10/17: NOA1 hard copy received. Social Security card being issued in married name (3rd attempt!)

10/14/17: Biometrics appointment notice received, 10/25/17: Biometrics

1/2/18: EAD + AP approved (no website update), 1/5/18: EAD + AP mailed, 1/8/18: EAD + AP approval notice hardcopies received, 1/10/18: EAD + AP received

9/5/18: Interview scheduled notice, 10/17/18: Interview

10/24/18: Green card produced notice, 10/25/18: Formal approval, 10/31/18: Green card received

K-1:

Spoiler

I-129F

12/1/16: sent, 12/14/16: NOA1 hard copy received, 3/10/17: RFE (IMB verification), 3/22/17: RFE response received

3/24/17: Approved! , 3/30/17: NOA2 hard copy received

 

NVC

4/6/2017: Received, 4/12/2017: Sent to Riyadh embassy, 4/16/2017: Case received at Riyadh embassy, 4/21/2017: Request case transfer to Manila, approved 4/24/2017

 

K-1

5/1/2017: Case received by Manila (1 week embassy transfer??? Lucky~)

7/13/2017: Interview: APPROVED!!!

7/19/2017: Visa in hand

8/15/2017: POE

 

Filed: Citizen (apr) Country: Russia
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Posted (edited)

As @missilemanstated USCIS does keep tabs on immigration boards like VJ, and since you have already stated the potential intention of coming on an ESTA and staying it could jeopardize a lot.  When you attempt entry and CBP questions your intent what would you tell them?  As @geowrianmentioned it is the intention at the time of entry that is the big distinction.

 

Considering it is only a few more months of waiting or the CR1, I would think it would be best to wait it out.

 

Good Luck!

Edited by Bill & Katya

Visa Received : 2014-04-04 (K1 - see timeline for details)

US Entry : 2014-09-12

POE: Detroit

Marriage : 2014-09-27

I-765 Approved: 2015-01-09

I-485 Interview: 2015-03-11

I-485 Approved: 2015-03-13

Green Card Received: 2015-03-24 Yeah!!!

I-751 ROC Submitted: 2016-12-20

I-751 NOA Received:  2016-12-29

I-751 Biometrics Appt.:  2017-01-26

I-751 Interview:  2018-04-10

I-751 Approved:  2018-05-04

N400 Filed:  2018-01-13

N400 Biometrics:  2018-02-22

N400 Interview:  2018-04-10

N400 Approved:  2018-04-10

Oath Ceremony:  2018-06-11 - DONE!!!!!!!

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Posted

That is fraud. We are all waiting long horrible months to be with our loved ones. Some even longer than you. What makes you so special that you can cut in line ahead of everyone else?!? 

2 hours ago, Dutchster said:

If you plan on doing so, just make sure you let the CBP officer know you want to adjust status.

They can help you very good, and will gave great advice. Your adjustment will be very successful.

Best advice ever. Please do this. 

Filed: K-1 Visa Country: Wales
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Posted

It is at times like this we need to remind ourselves of the VJ ToS.

 

My Bible, should be yours.

“If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.”

Posted (edited)
19 hours ago, liamthepianist said:

 I believe I did a terrible thing - I filed with the US rather than filing directly with the London Embassy and I have no way to move my case to the London Embassy.  Apparently they are much quicker to get everything done!

Yes, a couple of months start to finish.

However, only possible if the spouse has the lawful right to reside in the UK (basically is there with anything except a tourist visa). There are no minimum length of residence requirements for the US spouse for London DCF.

 

Does this apply to you?

 

19 hours ago, liamthepianist said:

 Again, I have read cases of couples doing this and having total success

Does it happen? Yes.

It is legal to do with prior intent to adjust? No.

 

Are you willing to lie to a CBP officer? (Note - the potential consequences of this are not to be underestimated).

 

 

A lot of people wait....you are further down the line than many are, so why risk screwing it up now?

 

 

 

 

Edited by mindthegap

CR1 / DCF (London): 2012 / 2013 (4 months from I-130 petition to visa in hand)

I-751 #1- April 2015 [Denied]

 

April 2015 : I-751 Joint filing package sent fedex next day 09:00am from UK ($lots - thanks). 
Jan 2017: Notification that an interview has been scheduled at a local office. Bizarrely still no RFE... 
Jan 2017: 2hr wait, then interview terminated before it began, due to moving my ID to another state 2 wks prior. New interview 'in a few months...maybe.'   Informed them that divorce proceedings are underway, but not finalised at this time. 
March 2017: An Interview was scheduled - marked as no-show as they didn't actually send out a notification of interview. FML 
April  2017: Filed an official complaint with the ombudsman, and have requested Senator & Congressman assistance
August 2017: Interview - switched to a (finalised) divorce waiver. Told that decision will be made that afternoon, but no problems foreseen with my case. 
October 2017: Letter of Denial received - reason given as 'I-751 petition was not properly filed'. Discovered ex-spouse made false allegations to USCIS in 2015. No opportunity given to review & refute allegations  - contrary to USCIS policy.

I-751 #2 - Oct 2017 - Mar 2021[Denied] 

 

October 2017: Within 72hrs of receiving denial notice, a new waiver I-751, divorce decree & $680 cheque, sent to Vermont via FedEx overnight 9am priority.  
Dec 2019: Filed FOIA request for full A# file
Feb 2020: FOIA request completed - entire A# file received as a .PDF; 197 pages fully redacted, and 80 partially redacted. Don't waste your time!
March 2021: I-751 #2 denied for lack of evidence. No RFE, no interview, and evidence in previous I-751 not reviewed - contrary to policy. Huge errors in adjudication.

N-400 - Feb 2018 - Apr 2021 [Denied]

 

February 2018: N-400 filed online.  $725 paid to the USCIS paperwork wastage fund

February  2019: Interview - cancelled after a four hour wait due to 'missing paperwork' on their end. Promised Expedited reschedule.

March 2021: Interview letter received, strangely dated after I-751 denial. No I-751 interview conducted. N-400 interview and test passed, given 'cannot make a decision at this time' paper due to the ongoing I-751 nightmare...

April 2021: N-400 denial received citing recent I-751 denial as basis for ineligibility, even though it should have been a combo interview 🤯

I AM JACK'S COMPLETE LACK OF SURPRISE

Service Motion - March 2021 [Sent via FedEx & COMPLETELY IGNORED by USCIS]

 

March 2021: Service Motion request sent overnight addressed direectly to field office director, requesting urgent review and re-opening, based on errors in adjudication - citing USCIS policy, AFM and memorandums as basis for errors. This was completely ignored by USCIS.

 I-751 #3 - June 2021 - Jan 2024 [Denied]

 

IT'S GROUNDHOG DAY

June 2021: I-751 #3 (30+lbs/5000 pages of paperwork) & another $680 sent to USCIS via FedEx ($300+..thanks) .... 

June 2021: Receipt issued, card charged, biometrics waived, infopass scheduled for I-551 stamp number ten.....

Feb 2022: RFIE (no, not an RFE, a Request For Initial Evidence) received, for copies of the divorce paperwork that they already have 😑

July 2022: Infopass for I-551 stamp number eleven.....

August 2023: Infopass for I-551 stamp number twelve....

January 2024: Denial received, ignoring the overwhelming majority of the filing, abundance of evidence, and refutation of a provably false allegation. The denial also contradicts itself in multiple places, as if it was written by someone with an IQ <50.

HAPPY NEW YEAR

 

2024: FML. Seriously. I'm done. 

 

 
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