The Republican tax bill got worse: now the top 1% gets 83% of the gains

[jayjayj 571]

53 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

   It's not unique for someone running for president. It's actually unique for a candidate not to release them. However it's already been made obvious that Trumps followers are not going to hold him accountable for anything, so indeed why release them. As Trump said, he could shoot someone in the street and his followers wouldn't care.  It doesn't actually help Trump in any way to release his tax returns. If his supporters don't care, there really is no reason for him to do it.

You mean the way Obama followers held Obama accountable or the way Bush followers held Bush accountable or the way Clinton followers Clinton accountable.  Are you expecting followers to be out out there protesting him?  Speaking up against him?  Posting negative things about him?  Nonsense again.  

Edited December 22, 2017 by jayjayj

[Steeleballz 7,550]

28 minutes ago, IDWAF said:

I've never understood it.  Unless and until the US makes it a requirement to apply for the office and provide copies of past years' returns, those returns are private.  I've never cared about seeing any candidate's returns.  I'm sure the IRS has been keeping them straight for years, along with their accountants.

 

  I have never really cared either. They are not releasing tax returns to appease non supporters. I think Nixon started the tradition to prove he was "not a crook" to potential supporters. Obviously releasing taxes doesn't actually prove that. I don't think Trump is hiding anything illegal, but releasing his taxes would not likely have gained him any supporters either, so to that extent I see why he didn't. It would have been better if he had just said he wasn't ever going to release them and let the issue die, but that's not Trump's way I guess. 

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7 hours ago, Steeleballz said:

 

  I have never really cared either. They are not releasing tax returns to appease non supporters. I think Nixon started the tradition to prove he was "not a crook" to potential supporters. Obviously releasing taxes doesn't actually prove that. I don't think Trump is hiding anything illegal, but releasing his taxes would not likely have gained him any supporters either, so to that extent I see why he didn't. It would have been better if he had just said he wasn't ever going to release them and let the issue die, but that's not Trump's way I guess. 

Agreed, but do you think if he had said he would not ever release his taxes the issues would have truly died out?  Sure, there has been a lot less attention since the election, but it still comes up every now and then.

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11 hours ago, Ebunoluwa said:

You mean Trump ? I wouldn't know, he isn't showing his so he may have something to hide. Dunno  

Yep, the Trump failure to release his taxes rears it’s head again.  Even if he did release them, most in the MDL would have not been satisfied, so in his shoes I would do the same thing.

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8 hours ago, Il Mango Dulce said:

No one here is running for president, thank God.

Doesn’t matter.  Tax returns are still private regardless of the person.  Would Trump have won over any of his detractors by releasing his highly scrutinized taxes?

[Italian_in_NYC 259]

10 hours ago, Póg mo said:

I don't believe I said that. Ok, why should people who work for their money, pay more tax than people who inherited theirs? I honestly don't understand why certain people are so concerned about helping the wealthy avoid paying taxes. 

 

Cry me a river. Maybe you should tell them to find a better tax advisor. Too much intergenerational wealth transfer is a bad idea. You end up with wealth being concentrated in fewer and hands, kind of like it is now.  If you don't know why that's a bad idea, then I suggest you do search for Bolshevik Revolution, French revolution, Irish famine, Chinese revolution 1911 etc, all examples of what happens when too much power is concentrated in too few hands.

It's always a bad idea when is someone else's money.

Ah, and the Bolshevik revolution worked out REALLY great!

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51 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

Agreed, but do you think if he had said he would not ever release his taxes the issues would have truly died out?  Sure, there has been a lot less attention since the election, but it still comes up every now and then.

     

    Since there is no requirement to release them, if he would have originally said he's not going to release them and there's no law against it, the people who wanted to see the tax returns would still not like it, but I don't think there was really any grounds for complaint beyond the fact that you wanted to see them. If not releasing the returns changed your vote it changed it, if not it didn't, but it would have been done at that point.

 

   I think by saying he would release them later, he kept focus on it and allowed people to keep bringing it up. It also allowed people to highlight that he didn't keep his word. 

  

[jayjayj 571]

26 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

     

    Since there is no requirement to release them, if he would have originally said he's not going to release them and there's no law against it, the people who wanted to see the tax returns would still not like it, but I don't think there was really any grounds for complaint beyond the fact that you wanted to see them. If not releasing the returns changed your vote it changed it, if not it didn't, but it would have been done at that point.

 

   I think by saying he would release them later, he kept focus on it and allowed people to keep bringing it up. It also allowed people to highlight that he didn't keep his word. 

  

He did release one year of them.  We also don't know if he is still being audited.  He did say he would release more of them after the audit.  Either way, it was a promise and he certainly wouldn't be the first or last politician to not keep a promise.  It isn't policy related, so it doesn't impact a single person.  I didn't get to keep my health care plan or my doctor, that promise (blatant lie) actually harmed people.

[Italian_in_NYC 259]

I really don't understand the tax return fetish.

99.9% of the population won't know how to read them to begin with.

And the qualified 0.1% would tweak the facts to get their political points out.

Mitt Romney shouldn't have released them either.

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[Amica Nostra 4,803]

2 hours ago, Bill & Katya said:

Doesn’t matter.  Tax returns are still private regardless of the person.  Would Trump have won over any of his detractors by releasing his highly scrutinized taxes?

Somehow every presidental nominee since Esinhower has managed to release tax returns. "Crooked" Hillary release over 20 years worth. 

 

Some folks are so convinced that Trump is the best for this country that it really doesn't matter what he says, tweets, grabs, denigrates, self deals, picks favorites, insults or demeans; it is all good for those folks.  These folks are so snow flakey over anyone standing up and saying "wait a minute, we have a way of doing things in this country that has worked" that their eyes roll back in their head and swivels at the mere mention that Trump maybe is not that special, exempt from the rules of normal protocol or immune to political gravity. It really is not worth having a conversation with these folks anymore.

Edited December 22, 2017 by Il Mango Dulce

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

1 hour ago, Steeleballz said:

     

    Since there is no requirement to release them, if he would have originally said he's not going to release them and there's no law against it, the people who wanted to see the tax returns would still not like it, but I don't think there was really any grounds for complaint beyond the fact that you wanted to see them. If not releasing the returns changed your vote it changed it, if not it didn't, but it would have been done at that point.

 

   I think by saying he would release them later, he kept focus on it and allowed people to keep bringing it up. It also allowed people to highlight that he didn't keep his word. 

  

In other words he lied to get ahead.

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

3 hours ago, Bill & Katya said:

Doesn’t matter.  Tax returns are still private regardless of the person.  Would Trump have won over any of his detractors by releasing his highly scrutinized taxes?

What we are facing here is a normalization of Trump like behavior. Ethics, transparency, leading by example, keeping your word are denigrated and laughed at.

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23 minutes ago, Il Mango Dulce said:

What we are facing here is a normalization of Trump like behavior. Ethics, transparency, leading by example, keeping your word are denigrated and laughed at.

You forgot to mention crooked behaviour.

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10 minutes ago, Boiler said:

You forgot to mention crooked behaviour.