Graphic video shows Daniel Shaver sobbing and begging officer for his life before 2016 shooting

[bcking 3,157]

10 hours ago, IDWAF said:

Merry Christmas to you and yours as well!

 

I said it was a small percentage because... well, it IS!  The article posted makes it sound like there is a systemic problem it’s cops killing people.  The person who posted has a long history of not liking many things cops do and we have discussed it in the past.  As I said above... any cop who kills innocents in a malicious manner (such as the OP), or cops who are more apt to shoot at a particular group of people, they should be brought to justice and dealt with accordingly. But they are the rare case, IMO.

 

That 937 number that was posted... that wasn’t a number of innocent victims slain by rogue cops.  That’s all the people shot by cops in the line of duty.  I didn’t take the time to count them all, but I’d wager a glass of your favorite beverage that the majority were justifiable killings.  Cops defending themselves.  Something which, in a split second, can lead to errors and misjudgments, not denying that.  But killing by mistake is NOT the same thing as just executing innocents.

 

You probably didn’t have time to peruse the links I provided just above, but no, the number of cop deaths is not on the decline.  In fact, one of the articles (maybe the 2016 one?) mentioned that the number of cops being shot on the job had gone up 50% in one year, the highest increase ever seen, or words to that effect.  

 

Yes, it is a high-risk job.  And basically thankless.And just like any other profession, idiots and even bad people get in.  And those are the ones to watch out for, the ones who will shoot to kill when it’s not needed.  But when I see someone generalizing about our brothers in blue, labeling them as a force gone rogue that deserves disdain and worse, that bothers me.  Because they ARE putting their lives on the line, every day, risking themselves for you and I all over the country.

 

To label cops as bad in general, or out of control - going around killing innocent people willy-nilly makes about as much sense as when people say gun owners need to give up their guns when there is a shooting.

The data I've been looking at for officer deaths is:

 

http://www.nleomf.org/facts/officer-fatalities-data/year.html?referrer=https://www.google.com/

 

I hope we can both agree that is a better source than news articles.

 

If we completely ignore 2017 since it isn't over (even though the current estimate is likely pretty close), the number has been up and down a bit over the last few years. 2013-2016 saw increases but then just before that it was higher.

 

I'd venture to guess with such small numbers (out of the total number of officers) that the differences between most years aren't statistically significant (113 vs 143 for example). They are probably just random variation. I haven't done a chi squared to confirm that right now but I can later.

Edited December 18, 2017 by bcking

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8 minutes ago, bcking said:

The data I've been looking at for officer deaths is:

 

http://www.nleomf.org/facts/officer-fatalities-data/year.html?referrer=https://www.google.com/

 

I hope we can both agree that is a better source than news articles.

 

If we completely ignore 2017 since it isn't over (even though the current estimate is likely pretty close), the number has been up and down a bit over the last few years. 2013-2016 saw increases but then just before that it was higher.

 

I'd venture to guess with such small numbers (out of the total number of officers) that the differences between most years aren't statistically significant (113 vs 143 for example). They are probably just random variation. I haven't done a chi squared to confirm that right now but I can later.

Where has everybody been, I have been holding the fort all by myself.

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2 hours ago, Boiler said:

Where has everybody been, I have been holding the fort all by myself.

Poor Boiler.  Hopefully there’s a fireplace on the left side of the house.

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

2 hours ago, Boiler said:

Where has everybody been, I have been holding the fort all by myself.

You had MDL duty this weekend ?

[Boiler 45,519]

21 minutes ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

You had MDL duty this weekend ?

Well I was the only one left of center, not quite MDL territory.

[Dashinka 24,502]

1 hour ago, Boiler said:

Well I was the only one left of center, not quite MDL territory.

 I think you did a great job!

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2 hours ago, Bill & Katya said:

 I think you did a great job!

Thanks

 

Did my best.