House approves concealed-carry reciprocity, gun bill faces challenge in Senate

[jayjayj 571]

14 hours ago, Il Mango Dulce said:

are you equating marriage rights and concealed carry permits?

No, because one of them is enshrined right in the Constitution and the other is not.  Guess which is which?

[jayjayj 571]

11 hours ago, Il Mango Dulce said:

The Commerce clause  governs interstate commerce  and does not mention the right to carry a concealed.   Laws governing driving in another state are covered by compact that covers most states and Canadian provinces, you cannot have an infraction in California if you are a driver with an NC license if NC does not have that law.  Those compacts also have a National Data Register  that shares your infractions, crimes, duis etc. 

 

Alabama and other states keep concealed carry data confidential.  How will  Georgia even be able to confirm the validity of that permit if they go across the border? 

The Commerce Clause has absolutely nothing to do with the Second Amendment.  

11 hours ago, Il Mango Dulce said:

yes, because NC and California both signed a compact honoring each other's laws.

 

 

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And what about other state licenses?  If you are a doctor in Illinois you do not necessarily have the right to practice medicine in Indiana.

You don't have a Constitutional right to be a doctor.

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

6 minutes ago, jayjayj said:

The Commerce Clause has absolutely nothing to do with the Second Amendment.  

Exactly my point, and the power of states to regulate and license conceled guns? Do they have that right?

6 minutes ago, jayjayj said:

 

You don't have a Constitutional right to be a doctor.

And you apparently don't have that right to conceal a weapon without the permission of the government.

[jayjayj 571]

15 minutes ago, Il Mango Dulce said:

Exactly my point, and the power of states to regulate and license conceled guns? Do they have that right?

And you apparently don't have that right to conceal a weapon without the permission of the government.

No, the states do not have that right.  

 

Sure you do.  It is enshrined in the Constitution - "shall not be infringed".

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

2 minutes ago, jayjayj said:

No, the states do not have that right.  

 

Sure you do.  It is enshrined in the Constitution - "shall not be infringed".

So why do we need concealed carry permits at all?

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1 minute ago, Il Mango Dulce said:

So why do we need concealed carry permits at all?

Excellent question.

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

5 minutes ago, Boiler said:

Excellent question.

Well Congress and Courts seem to think they should not be abolished.

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7 minutes ago, Il Mango Dulce said:

So why do we need concealed carry permits at all?

Very good point - we shouldn't need those.  

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Just now, Il Mango Dulce said:

Well Congress and Courts seem to think they should not be abolished.

Money earner?

[jayjayj 571]

Just now, Il Mango Dulce said:

Well Congress and Courts seem to think they should not be abolished.

So you will have no problem with a federal concealed carry reciprocity law then?  

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

1 minute ago, Boiler said:

Money earner?

A way to keep people safe?

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Just now, Il Mango Dulce said:

A way to keep people safe?

Taking their money?

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

1 minute ago, jayjayj said:

So you will have no problem with a federal concealed carry reciprocity law then?  

If we had a federal concealed carry permit and centralized registration with laws that kept permits out if the hands of felons and other high risk pools I would get behind that. 

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1 minute ago, Il Mango Dulce said:

If we had a federal concealed carry permit and centralized registration with laws that kept permits out if the hands of felons and other high risk pools I would get behind that. 

Not sure Felons are that bothered about permits.

 

The one in San Fran wasnt.

[jayjayj 571]

10 minutes ago, Il Mango Dulce said:

If we had a federal concealed carry permit and centralized registration with laws that kept permits out if the hands of felons and other high risk pools I would get behind that. 

We already have laws that keep permits out of the hands of felons and other high risk pools of people.   I would also support a federal level centralized concealed permit registration, or even better, a federal level concealed permit that is valid anywhere in the United States - solves both problems at one time.

 

Edit - Just realized you might have been alluding to a centralized gun registration system and not a centralized CC permit registration system.  A centralized gun ownership registry is a non-starter for most law abiding gun owners.  It leads to gun confiscation and any argument you make that it doesn't is invalid.

Edited December 8, 2017 by jayjayj