House approves concealed-carry reciprocity, gun bill faces challenge in Senate

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House Republicans on Wednesday voted in favor of making concealed-carry permits valid across state lines, scoring a major victory for gun-rights supporters.

But similar Senate legislation still faces an uncertain future, with top Democrats and other gun-control advocates rallying in opposition on Capitol Hill.

The Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act passed 231-198 in the GOP-controlled House, with six Democrats voting in support.

 

 

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/12/06/house-passes-gun-reciprocity-faces-challenge-in-senate-from-dems-and-gun-control-advocates.html

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

Why is reciprocity needed?  Can't each state decide for themselves what rules and processed apply for concealed carry? 

[Dashinka 24,793]

36 minutes ago, Il Mango Dulce said:

Why is reciprocity needed?  Can't each state decide for themselves what rules and processed apply for concealed carry? 

Didn't the states try this with marriage licensing?

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

49 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

Didn't the states try this with marriage licensing?

are you equating marriage rights and concealed carry permits?

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

1 hour ago, Il Mango Dulce said:

Why is reciprocity needed?  Can't each state decide for themselves what rules and processed apply for concealed carry? 

Because it is needed for CCW holders to travel and be ok. As of right now if I get a CCW in NC then I can't take that to CA and carry concealed. 

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3 hours ago, Il Mango Dulce said:

Why is reciprocity needed?  Can't each state decide for themselves what rules and processed apply for concealed carry? 

The same reason it is needed with a driver’s license.  Interstate travel.

[Boiler 46,108]

Sounds logical.

 

To use an analogy Marriage in one State is recognised in another.

 

Drivers Licenses have been mentioned.

[Dashinka 24,793]

2 hours ago, Il Mango Dulce said:

are you equating marriage rights and concealed carry permits?

Up until SCOTUS weighed in marriage was clearly in the purview of the states.  This is actually more clear-cut given the 2nd Amendment and all.

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

2 hours ago, cyberfx1024 said:

Because it is needed for CCW holders to travel and be ok. As of right now if I get a CCW in NC then I can't take that to CA and carry concealed. 

Inversely, if the standards for concealed carry permits in  North Carolina do not meet the standards in California, then the residents of California are being subjected to NC Laws. 

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Just now, Il Mango Dulce said:

Inversely, if the standards for concealed carry permits in  North Carolina do not meet the standards in California, then the residents of California are being subjected to NC Laws. 

There are no increased standards in CA at all. What's weird is the standards here in CA change by the county you are in which is upsurd. 

[Boiler 46,108]

Just now, Il Mango Dulce said:

Inversely, if the standards for concealed carry permits in  North Carolina do not meet the standards in California, then the residents of California are being subjected to NC Laws. 

Inversely, if the standards for Drivers Licenses in California do not meet the standards in North Carolina , then the residents of North Carolina are being subjected to California Laws. 

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

57 minutes ago, IDWAF said:

The same reason it is needed with a driver’s license.  Interstate travel.

The Commerce clause  governs interstate commerce  and does not mention the right to carry a concealed.   Laws governing driving in another state are covered by compact that covers most states and Canadian provinces, you cannot have an infraction in California if you are a driver with an NC license if NC does not have that law.  Those compacts also have a National Data Register  that shares your infractions, crimes, duis etc. 

 

Alabama and other states keep concealed carry data confidential.  How will  Georgia even be able to confirm the validity of that permit if they go across the border? 

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

20 minutes ago, Boiler said:

Inversely, if the standards for Drivers Licenses in California do not meet the standards in North Carolina , then the residents of North Carolina are being subjected to California Laws. 

yes, because NC and California both signed a compact honoring each other's laws.

 

 

edit: 

And what about other state licenses?  If you are a doctor in Illinois you do not necessarily have the right to practice medicine in Indiana.

Edited December 7, 2017 by Il Mango Dulce

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In Colorado you have something that looks like a DL, just show that.

 

Keep it simple.

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3 hours ago, Il Mango Dulce said:

The Commerce clause  governs interstate commerce  and does not mention the right to carry a concealed.   Laws governing driving in another state are covered by compact that covers most states and Canadian provinces, you cannot have an infraction in California if you are a driver with an NC license if NC does not have that law.  Those compacts also have a National Data Register  that shares your infractions, crimes, duis etc. 

 

Alabama and other states keep concealed carry data confidential.  How will  Georgia even be able to confirm the validity of that permit if they go across the border? 

AL and GA already have reciprocity.   In fact, most states have it, just not with every state.  Look at a reciprocity map and see how silly it currently is.

 

(Just making up states here as an example)

 

You can have AL CCW permit, and have reciprocity with MI,  but not all states in between share that,  so you could be illegal going between those states.

 

Or... You could have GA CCW, and have reciprocity with OK, but not AR.  But have AR CCW,  and have reciprocity with both GA and OK.