President Announces Moving Embassy to Jerusalem

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1 hour ago, yuna628 said:

You may have noticed, but perhaps not that there's something on social media trending called ''raptureanxiety'' - this is a lot of former evangelicals and theologians sharing their stories from childhood about various abuses they suffered through bad doctrine growing up. I don't really need to show statistical figures, because persons that are even remotely anywhere near areas where Southern Baptism and evangelicalism has a stronghold understands it's not anything merely tiny or exaggerated. We live this every day in our communities. We know it well. Evangelicals are a powerful voting bloc, and were identified as such long ago. Buckley in fact understood the danger it posed, and warned long ago about the perils of Trump-ian presidency.. and with the marriage of dominionistic theocracies within the conservative party. It has been this way since the late 70s, strong within the 80s, and resurging now. If they are losing any ground in America, they are also starting various movements with groups in Europe.

 

There are two goals: fundamentally change America into a place that they say the ''founders'' intended. But it is not the ''Founding Fathers'' that they are referring to. They are talking about pre-colonial days. They are talking about Puritanism and theocratic states. The second goal is to hasten the end times. Long disappointed by the promise of the return of the Savior, but the ever-present concept that he'll come 'soon', evangelicals will without a doubt enthusiastically, when asked, pull out Revelation and point to every single passage describing something that they think is happening now. Trump is currently happy to oblige them. A cadre of powerful hanger-ons that don't serve him well at all, and all have a singular goal in mind. They do not care about peace in Israel - and they care nothing for Jews or Palestine either (though they have spent decades attempting to convince they have their interests at heart... the reality of their prophecy says they too will fall and only Christians come out on top). Russia also has a place to fill, when it comes to Gog and Magog too. When you make prophecy, suddenly you start fulfilling it.

 

But let's look at some statistics shall we? According to Brookings 8 out of 10 Evangelicals believe that violence in the Middle-East (but largely anything that happens in the middle-east) is a 'sign' of the coming Apocalypse... in fact a whopping 79% of them.

 

Yes, let's think about these statistics a minute - even 51% of non-evangelicals believe it. Why on earth do you think when polled, a candidate's position on Israel is a critical issue? https://www.christianpost.com/news/79-percent-of-evangelicas-see-violence-in-middle-east-as-sign-end-times-are-near-151702/

 

Are individuals like Michele Bachmann, Ben Carson,  Robert Jeffress, John Hagee, and Mike Huckabee (and 100s of others) lying when they say they believe prophecies are being fulfilled regarding the 'end times' and how excited they are about it? I can gives you hundreds of quotes from prominent mega-pastors of today that align themselves as being very close to Trump confirming it. Why do you think Sekulow is on his team?

 

But let's keep going..

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/12/04/what-is-happening-involving-israel-has-some-saying-that-were-literally-watching-bible-prophecy-unfold-before-our-eyes

 

Nearly half of Americans believe that climate change, natural disasters, and big ecological events are signs of the "end times." Such ideas could even be found within those who did not claim a religious affiliation. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/11/half-of-americans-think-climate-change-is-a-sign-of-the-apocalypse/383029/

 

One-third of polled pastors believe in a rapture, even if they may disagree on the logistics of how that happens. They believe that an Antichrist is coming or is already here. They believe in judgments and scrolls, with punishment events being unleashed on earth. Of mainline, more 'traditional' religions, which studies have shown are actually showing a reduction in membership - promoted ideas regarding end times philosophy are generally not taken as literal - however within evangelical communities, pastors, and churches - which include Southern Baptist, the majority fervently believe it as literal. http://www.christianitytoday.com/news/2016/april/sorry-left-behind-pastors-end-times-rapture-antichrist.html Christian researchers also discovered that prior to the previous election - evangelical movements and those identifying as such were actually increasing over all others. In one poll of Americans, even if only 36% believed the Bible should be taken literally, 59% believed events in Revelation should not only be taken literally, but were happening right now. 1 in 4 believed that 9/11 was predicted in the Bible, and similarly believe the end of the world will happen in their lifetimes. And...

 

It's a pretty good article btw. http://www.beliefnet.com/faiths/christianity/end-times/on-the-road-to-armageddon.aspx

 

https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/1.827558

http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/08/opinions/jerusalem-israel-evangelicals-end-times-butler-bass-opinion/index.html

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/sep/12/4-in10-american-adults-were-living-end-times/

https://theconversation.com/why-trumps-evangelical-supporters-welcome-his-move-on-jerusalem-88775

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/10/course-michele-bachmann-believes-end-times-are-here/310225/

http://religiondispatches.org/does-end-time-belief-really-cause-climate-change-apathy/

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/christiancrier/2014/03/30/does-the-bible-say-russia-will-be-involved-in-end-times-events/

http://observer.com/2017/11/russia-conducts-nuclear-exercises-amid-orthodox-end-times-talk/

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/for-religious-right-blowing-up-potential-peace-deal-is-feature-not-bug-of-trumps-jerusalem-move/

https://www.politicalresearch.org/2016/08/18/dominionism-rising-a-theocratic-movement-hiding-in-plain-sight/

 

So where is your proof that it's so tiny we should just ignore it? Where's your proof that people who have grown up in these communities and know it best are exaggerating? Do you have your own statistics?

Great information. Thanks for sharing it here. 

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2 hours ago, yuna628 said:

 the reality of their prophecy says they too will fall and only Christians come out on top). 

Actually they believe only a very small group of Jews will be saved after they accepted Jesus Christ. The others Jews and other non Christians are doomed...that's what they believe.

 

Also they believe that the end of the world is very close because of this: 

Israel became a nation in 1948. The Parable of the Fig Tree says that the generation that sees Israel reborn will be the generation that sees Jesus return.   PSALMS 90 SAYS a generation  is 70 years. Israel will Be 70 years old in 2018. Abraham was born 1,948 years after Creation.  
Abraham received the Covenant 2,018 YEARS after Creation.

http://www.heavenlysign2017.org/gods-clock.html

 

 

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46 minutes ago, Póg mo said:

Great information. Thanks for sharing it here. 

You read it?

 

[yuna628 9,680]

6 minutes ago, Beachlover said:

Actually they believe only a very small group of Jews will be saved after they accepted Jesus Christ. The others Jews and other non Christians are doomed...that's what they believe.

 

Also they believe that the end of the world is very close because of this: 

Israel became a nation in 1948. The Parable of the Fig Tree says that the generation that sees Israel reborn will be the generation that sees Jesus return.   PSALMS 90 SAYS a generation  is 70 years. Israel will Be 70 years old in 2018. Abraham was born 1,948 years after Creation.  
Abraham received the Covenant 2,018 YEARS after Creation.

http://www.heavenlysign2017.org/gods-clock.html

 

 

Most I've talked to would simply consider a 'convert Jew' as a Christian. It's usually talked about in a very patronizing tone as well. Most of us here would be very happy if there would be peace in the Middle East... but this is not what these groups want... and they have the President's ear at the present time. No doubt, he too doesn't take them seriously (though it's hard to say considering one of his greatest influences was one of them).. but if it gets votes and support, why not play a little?

1 minute ago, Boiler said:

You read it?

 

Sorry reading is not your forte Boiler. Would you like some cliff notes with that beer?

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48 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

Most I've talked to would simply consider a 'convert Jew' as a Christian. It's usually talked about in a very patronizing tone as well. Most of us here would be very happy if there would be peace in the Middle East... but this is not what these groups want... and they have the President's ear at the present time. No doubt, he too doesn't take them seriously (though it's hard to say considering one of his greatest influences was one of them).. but if it gets votes and support, why not play a little?

Sorry reading is not your forte Boiler. Would you like some cliff notes with that beer?

Similarities with Beer.

 

I like quality.

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2 hours ago, yuna628 said:

Most I've talked to would simply consider a 'convert Jew' as a Christian. It's usually talked about in a very patronizing tone as well. Most of us here would be very happy if there would be peace in the Middle East... but this is not what these groups want... and they have the President's ear at the present time. No doubt, he too doesn't take them seriously (though it's hard to say considering one of his greatest influences was one of them).. but if it gets votes and support, why not play a little?

I don't think Trump share those believes with this religious groups. I don't even think he believes in a god for that matter. But this is something his biggest group of voters wanted and where looking forward too. No matter what anyone else says, it's definitely not a small or tiny group.

 

A Christian-Jewish lady told me awhile ( right after Trump was elected) ago that Trump is the choosen one. That they have been looking forward,and that it is predicted that he is the one who will change the course and that Jesus will be back soon. And she isn't the only one I know who believes this.

 

 

 

 

 

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13 minutes ago, Beachlover said:

I don't think Trump share those believes with this religious groups. I don't even think he believes in a god for that matter. But this is something his biggest group of voters wanted and where looking forward too. No matter what anyone else says, it's definitely not a small or tiny group.

 

A Christian-Jewish lady told me awhile ( right after Trump was elected) ago that Trump is the choosen one. That they have been looking forward,and that it is predicted that he is the one who will change the course and that Jesus will be back soon. And she isn't the only one I know who believes this.

 

 

 

 

 

I  had some folks in New Jersey back in 2008 think that President Obama was the chosen one because his name Barak is found in the Bible book of Judges. 

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34 minutes ago, X Factor said:

I  had some folks in New Jersey back in 2008 think that President Obama was the chosen one because his name Barak is found in the Bible book of Judges. 

I thought they believed he was undercover Muslim?

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20 hours ago, Boiler said:

You read it?

 

I don't see why people love to point out or complain about the length of posts here. Why do you want to insult your own intelligence, or at the very least your literacy?

 

Really a few paragraphs is not that long. Get over it.

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19 minutes ago, bcking said:

I don't see why people love to point out or complain about the length of posts here. Why do you want to insult your own intelligence, or at the very least your literacy?

 

Really a few paragraphs is not that long. Get over it.

probably has more to do with content. if i had to guess..

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17 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

probably has more to do with content. if i had to guess..

Right again.  Are you tired of winning 

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39 minutes ago, bcking said:

I don't see why people love to point out or complain about the length of posts here. Why do you want to insult your own intelligence, or at the very least your literacy?

 

Really a few paragraphs is not that long. Get over it.

Because some men (or those currently self-identifying as such - I wouldn't want to make assuptions) are easily intimidated by paragraphs I guess.

19 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

probably has more to do with content. if i had to guess..

 Well a question was asked, an answer was needed even if that wasn't what they really wanted to begin with. I could use text-speak and memes to make it shorter and easier to cope with if that would help, but I think it's English required on this forum. Sad!

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17 minutes ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

Right again.  Are you tired of winning 

i don't really know what anything other than winning is like..

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https://www.politico.eu/article/benjamin-netanyahu-most-eu-countries-will-recognize-jerusalem-as-israels-capital-donald-trump-us-embassy/
 

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13 minutes ago, Beachlover said:

https://www.politico.eu/article/benjamin-netanyahu-most-eu-countries-will-recognize-jerusalem-as-israels-capital-donald-trump-us-embassy/
 

Very interesting