President Announces Moving Embassy to Jerusalem

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13 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

I suppose the threats are more for show etc., as the US makes threats all the time just as other countries do.  I seem to remember President Obama drawing some lines in the sand.  The issue will be if this threat will be followed through on.  Personally, I doubt much will happen, the US will move the embassy to Jerusalem, activists and others will continue to do everything they can to push Israel into the sea, and US foreign aid will continue to flow.

From what I've gathered from Dutch media the UN was not impressed by the threaths. Personally I find the threaths kinda of childish, but that's me.  I guess that's how politics role.

 

I also believe that this won't change much as far as the US embassy moving to Jerusalem. It won't help the peace negotiations either but I suppose that doesn't have any priority.

 

 

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15 minutes ago, OriZ said:

What/where are you moving into instead?

 

 

 

Because it's becoming absurd. And because the US sees it as a slap in the face by countries it helps all the time.

Honestly, not sure yet..we probably will rent or temporary go back to the Netherlands. I still have to sell my house there too, but I'm not to concerned about that one. The house we live in now has increased 50% in price since last year, it's almost back to it's pre crisis price which is scary. But this is totally off topic 

 

 

On topic: their argument is that this is not helping the peace negotiations. I can see where this will be causing tensions.  And that's gonna take time to overcome those tensions and getting all parties to sit around the peace drawing table again.

 

Personally I don't care where countries place their embassies, at the end what counts is that people can have peace. Maybe a very idealistic thought, but I truly hope for them ( Israelis and Palestinians ) to find a solution out of this mess.

 

 

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47 minutes ago, Beachlover said:

From what I've gathered from Dutch media the UN was not impressed by the threaths. Personally I find the threaths kinda of childish, but that's me.  I guess that's how politics role.

 

I also believe that this won't change much as far as the US embassy moving to Jerusalem. It won't help the peace negotiations either but I suppose that doesn't have any priority.

 

 

Was having the embassy in Tel Aviv doing anything for the peace process in the last 50 years or so?

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6 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

Was having the embassy in Tel Aviv doing anything for the peace process in the last 50 years or so?

You know as well ( at least I hope so) that it's not really about where the embassy is. It's gesture politics, exactly the same reason why the UN voted against and exactly the reason why America is using cutting-financial-aid threaths against those who don't support the US. 

 

Everyone knows that the US can move their embassy to Jerusalem if they want. It's the implication that comes with such a move. 

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59 minutes ago, Beachlover said:

From what I've gathered from Dutch media the UN was not impressed by the threaths. Personally I find the threaths kinda of childish, but that's me.  I guess that's how politics role.

 

Like a small child who is suddenly told no.

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5 minutes ago, Boiler said:

Like a small child who is suddenly told no.

I don't like offending people ( even Trump) but they actually compared him with a toddler. 

 

 

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5 minutes ago, Beachlover said:

You know as well ( at least I hope so) that it's not really about where the embassy is. It's gesture politics, exactly the same reason why the UN voted against and exactly the reason why America is using cutting-financial-aid threaths against those who don't support the US. 

 

Everyone knows that the US can move their embassy to Jerusalem if they want. It's the implication that comes with such a move. 

That is my point.  For 50years or so through multiple attempts mostly US led, there has been little if any progress.  I think the people of Israel understand this just as they know negotiating with an entity that is only interested in their total destruction is almost hopeless.  Will moving the embassy to Jerusalem change anything relative to the peace process?  I doubt it, there will be one side still wanting the destruction of the other side, and the other side doing everything they can to get world respect which never seems to come.

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6 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

That is my point.  For 50years or so through multiple attempts mostly US led, there has been little if any progress.  I think the people of Israel understand this just as they know negotiating with an entity that is only interested in their total destruction is almost hopeless.  Will moving the embassy to Jerusalem change anything relative to the peace process?  I doubt it, there will be one side still wanting the destruction of the other side, and the other side doing everything they can to get world respect which never seems to come.

I don't believe every Palestinian wants total destruction of Israel,  obviously there are the ones that wish for that, likewise there are Israelis who wish Israel to be cleared from every single Arab.  I'm sorry to say this but both parties are to blame for the debacle. 

 

Luckly there are the ones ( small groups from both sides who hopefully continue to grow) who want a solution and an end to the misery. And 50 years may sound long, but countries have been fighting wars throughout history for longer time periods. At the end things worked out fine for them so I'm  not losing hope  for Palestina/Israel, to put things in a positive perspective.

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19 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

That is my point.  For 50years or so through multiple attempts mostly US led, there has been little if any progress.  I think the people of Israel understand this just as they know negotiating with an entity that is only interested in their total destruction is almost hopeless.  Will moving the embassy to Jerusalem change anything relative to the peace process?  I doubt it, there will be one side still wanting the destruction of the other side, and the other side doing everything they can to get world respect which never seems to come.

Takes two to tango and when one side will only be happy with the total annihilation of the other gets tricky.

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Looks like the threats did help after all, because most of the countries that voted in favor are countries that always vote in favor and nobody expected them not to. They have an automatic majority of at least 100 states(the NAM) every single time. Outside of those, there are more absentees than either in favor or against.

 

This is the full list: https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2017/12/21/here-is-the-list-of-countries-that-just-voted-against-the-united-states-at-the-un-n2425807

 

and some more info here: https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-5060274,00.html

 

Just another thing that goes straight from the UN and into the trash of history.

 

 

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7 hours ago, OriZ said:

About all that is useful for is wiping your butt 

That reminds me that I need to buy toilet paper at Costco

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It seems like many people who are against moving the U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem are worried that there will be more violence.  Why are they worried about that?

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5 minutes ago, X Factor said:

That reminds me that I need to buy toilet paper at Costco

Does it have a UN print on it?

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9 hours ago, OriZ said:

Does it have a UN print on it?

Yep

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10 hours ago, X Factor said:

Yep

Perfect!