Sen. Al Franken Accused Of Sexual Assault By LA Model And Radio Host

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20 hours ago, bcking said:

I believe at least one was accusing him of rape, but I could be wrong. You're right not all were. I just used one illegal sexual act in my examples instead of listing everything he is accused of out.

 

1. My point is just that only one accusations needs to be true for him to be guilty enough to stand down.

 

2. For him not to stand down ALL should be false.

 

The more accusations there are, the harder for the second to be true and the easier for the first.

 

That's about as simple as I can make it. We can just leave out the numbers.

The counter point is that only one accusation needs to be false to cast doubt on every other accusation, whether they are true or not.  This isn't some random guy working at Walmart.  This is a politician and it is fairly obvious that in this day and age, people will do or say anything for political reasons, on both sides.

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6 minutes ago, Boiler said:

Bit sexist.

 

No name was mentioned in that post and this is an Al thread.

As I said Moore was mentioned by the person he was quoting.

 

I've had this discussion with someone else before. It really isnt hard in these situations to figure out that someone is on the same subject as the person being quoted.

 

As I said I'm quite confident you knew exactly who he was talking about and you were merely feigning ignorance.

 

That is why my real question was why?

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2 minutes ago, bcking said:

As I said Moore was mentioned by the person he was quoting.

 

I've had this discussion with someone else before. It really isnt hard in these situations to figure out that someone is on the same subject as the person being quoted.

 

As I said I'm quite confident you knew exactly who he was talking about and you were merely feigning ignorance.

 

That is why my real question was why?

Dunno, there seems Moore threads where it should have been posted if it is about him. This one is about Al.

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2 minutes ago, Boiler said:

Dunno, there seems Moore threads where it should have been posted if it is about him. This one is about Al.

Then you should have quoted and said "talking about Moore is off topic" or something.

 

Instead you pretended you had no idea he was talking about Moore. I know that can't be true, since I'm sure you are marker then that.

 

So you must have done it for some other reason. Maybe because it was easier than actually responding to his comment.

 

We can move on though.

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2 hours ago, jayjayj said:

I've seen this repeated multiple times here and still haven't seen any evidence to back it up.  There are multiple news reports quoting the managers of the mall at that point in time saying they have no recollection of a ban.

 

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Was Roy Moore Banned From Mall For Harassing Teen Girls?

Mall representatives state they don't have records from the time frame in question.

By 

Bethania Palma

17 November 2017

 

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On 13 November 2017, The New Yorker reported, based on interviews with multiple local sources, that Alabama Senate candidate and twice-removed state Supreme Court judge Roy Moore had been banned from the mall in Gadsden, Alabama because of his predatory behavior toward young girls.

The report, however, is based on sources recalling a rumor, in some cases. Those rumors have been corroborated by news reports of accusations leveled at Moore by at least nine women who were in their teens and twenties at the time.

Mall officials told us they are not in possession of records that would identify who was banned in the late 1970s and 1980s. A Gadsden Mall spokeswoman told us:

We don’t have any records that date back that far.

When we called mall security, the worker who answered the phone told us the same thing.

The mall, which opened in 1974, has come under the management of CBL Properties in recent years. In the 1980s, it had been the popular spot for youngsters, according to the New Yorker. Teens would often meet and socialize there without their parents. Per New Yorkerreporter Charles Bethea:

This past weekend, I spoke or messaged with more than a dozen people—including a major political figure in the state—who told me that they had heard, over the years, that Moore had been banned from the mall because he repeatedly badgered teen-age girls. Some say that they heard this at the time, others in the years since. These people include five members of the local legal community, two cops who worked in the town, several people who hung out at the mall in the early eighties, and a number of former mall employees. (A request for comment from the Moore campaign was not answered.) Several of them asked that I leave their names out of this piece. The stories that they say they’ve heard for years have been swirling online in the days since the Post published its report. “Sources tell me Moore was actually banned from the Gadsden Mall and the YMCAfor his inappropriate behavior of soliciting sex from young girls,” the independent Alabama journalist Glynn Wilson wrote on his Web site on Sunday, declining to divulge sources

Teresa Jones, a deputy district attorney for Etowah County in the early eighties, told CNN last week that “it was common knowledge that Roy dated high-school girls.” Jones told me that she couldn’t confirm the alleged mall banning, but said, “It’s a rumor I’ve heard for years.”

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[Former mall worker Greg] Legat says that he saw Moore there a few times, even though his understanding then was that he had already been banned. “It started around 1979, I think,” Legat said. “I know the ban was still in place when I got there.” Legat recalled a Gadsden police officer named J. D. Thomas, now retired, who worked security at the mall. “J. D. was a fixture there, when I was working at the store,” Legat said. “He really looked after the kids there. He was a good guy. J. D. told me, ‘If you see Roy, let me know. He’s banned from the mall.’ ” Legat recalled Thomas telling him, “If you see Moore here, tell me. I’ll take care of him.’ ”

2 hours ago, Boiler said:

Bit sexist.

 

No name was mentioned in that post and this is an Al thread.

Untrue

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[The Nature Boy 7,659]

16 minutes ago, Boiler said:

Dunno, there seems Moore threads where it should have been posted if it is about him. This one is about Al.

ROFl

 

 

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33 minutes ago, Il Mango Dulce said:

Untrue

I am going to quote all that ####### but if the Poster had identified their chosen gender for the day I missed it.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

9 hours ago, Il Mango Dulce said:

We are not convicting this man (I am being generous) of a crime. There will be no justice for what this pos did to these underage girls.  These woman carried this burden all of their life.

 

So many women, with no personal gain, and no connection to each other, have come forward and told similar stories of molestation and stalking. I sat on a jury where a man was convicted of a felony for sexually touching a 17 year old victim and the statements and interviews I have seen would put this sex offender in prison with a lot less deliberation.

 

 

His behavior was so well known in the community, he was banned from the local shopping mall. So if he is  prohibited from going to a shopping mall, why can't we ban him from the Senate? 

And really, what is the upside for Alabama for sending him to the Senate with this ethical cloud?

I know of a case (I wasn’t on the jury, but it happened in my home town) where a guy was dating an underaged girl.  He spent the night several times in her bed in her parent’s house, with their knowledge and welcome.  After a few months, said guy found out the girl had lied to him when she told him she was 18; she was actually 17.  He immediately broke up with her, she got mad, and pressed charges.

 

The guy was asked in court if he had carnal knowledge of the girl, and he admitted to it.  Didn’t lie.  But even though he was lied to by the girl (and presumably the parents), and even though he was welcomed into the house and the girl’s bed by the parents, he ended up doing more than 3 years of prison time.  The judge said he gave him the lightest sentence the law would allow.  But this guy’s life was essentially ruined by the situation.  All because a young girl lied.

 

How would you feel if that was your son or your best friend to whom this had happened?  Still think that anyone who is accused of sexual misconduct is automatically guilty?

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16 minutes ago, IDWAF said:

I know of a case (I wasn’t on the jury, but it happened in my home town) where a guy was dating an underaged girl.  He spent the night several times in her bed in her parent’s house, with their knowledge and welcome.  After a few months, said guy found out the girl had lied to him when she told him she was 18; she was actually 17.  He immediately broke up with her, she got mad, and pressed charges.

 

The guy was asked in court if he had carnal knowledge of the girl, and he admitted to it.  Didn’t lie.  But even though he was lied to by the girl (and presumably the parents), and even though he was welcomed into the house and the girl’s bed by the parents, he ended up doing more than 3 years of prison time.  The judge said he gave him the lightest sentence the law would allow.  But this guy’s life was essentially ruined by the situation.  All because a young girl lied.

 

How would you feel if that was your son or your best friend to whom this had happened?  Still think that anyone who is accused of sexual misconduct is automatically guilty?

You want to read an interesting case. There was less than 1.5 years in age difference between Wilson and the alleged victim. Supposedly the girls dad found out several football players slept with his 15 year old daughter. Wilson was 17. All agreed it was consensual. Wilson got rang up for 3 years.

 

http://www.espn.com/espn/eticket/story?page=wilson

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14 minutes ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

You want to read an interesting case. There was less than 1.5 years in age difference between Wilson and the alleged victim. Supposedly the girls dad found out several football players slept with his 15 year old daughter. Wilson was 17. All agreed it was consensual. Wilson got rang up for 3 years.

 

http://www.espn.com/espn/eticket/story?page=wilson

Shouldn’t have been statutory, should it?  I thought that only happened when it involves a minor and a major?

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1 minute ago, IDWAF said:

Shouldn’t have been statutory, should it?  I thought that only happened when it involves a minor and a major?

Not sure legally but, she was about to be 16 and he had just turned 17. Less than 1.5 years separated them if I remember correctly. I am not advocating teenagers drinking, smoking weed and having orgies, but the poor kid got a bad hand dealt him

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51 minutes ago, IDWAF said:

I know of a case (I wasn’t on the jury, but it happened in my home town) where a guy was dating an underaged girl.  He spent the night several times in her bed in her parent’s house, with their knowledge and welcome.  After a few months, said guy found out the girl had lied to him when she told him she was 18; she was actually 17.  He immediately broke up with her, she got mad, and pressed charges.

 

The guy was asked in court if he had carnal knowledge of the girl, and he admitted to it.  Didn’t lie.  But even though he was lied to by the girl (and presumably the parents), and even though he was welcomed into the house and the girl’s bed by the parents, he ended up doing more than 3 years of prison time.  The judge said he gave him the lightest sentence the law would allow.  But this guy’s life was essentially ruined by the situation.  All because a young girl lied.

 

How would you feel if that was your son or your best friend to whom this had happened?  Still think that anyone who is accused of sexual misconduct is automatically guilty?

Some states (not all) have leeway in their laws if the age gap is very small. So if say a 17 year old (in an 18 year old consent state) sleeps with ab 18-19 year old with consent it is okay because they are close in age.

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

43 minutes ago, bcking said:

Some states (not all) have leeway in their laws if the age gap is very small. So if say a 17 year old (in an 18 year old consent state) sleeps with ab 18-19 year old with consent it is okay because they are close in age.

All should 

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8 minutes ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

All should 

Agreed. 

 

This might be a first...

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

10 minutes ago, bcking said:

Agreed. 

 

This might be a first...

Us agreeing or you conveying a point in 6 words 😂