Open Border Tragedies Caused by Visa Lottery System

[ready4ONE 5,400]

6 hours ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

We are not anti immigration,  we are anti illegal immigration.  It's really that easy. 

Weird. The OP is talking about a very legal form of immigration. Me thinks you are as confused and fact challenged as Dear Leader. Not sure the Mad Trucker in NY is exactly telling us much of anything in regards to how the overwhelming number of Diversity Lottery immigrants have chosen to live once here in the US and having come here legally have had a huge negative impact on the daily lives of the average American.

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9 hours ago, CaliCat said:

 

I don't think it has anything to do with what you describe. In reality, anyone who has been through the maze of immigration would naturally feel some sort of empathy for other immigrants. 

Any other immigrants doing it legally that is.  It is one of the reasons I am on this site, and try to help when I can do things legally.  Of course there will always be those that try to skirt the laws and hence this is why we need to include border security any time we start discussing immigration reform.  As to if the DV program should keep going, I don't think it should be based on the issue of the NYC idiot, but it should be decided based on the fact that we are robbing several countries of their best and brightest.

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The NY idiot is irrelevant, a stupid programme.

[CaliCat 3,957]

10 hours ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

 

 

I think it's very racist that people from the Philippines can not even visit here without a special visa, simply because a few have over stayed. 

 

Is there a special type of visa for citizens of the Philippines? I thought a tourist visa would be sufficient for them to visit here. 

[CaliCat 3,957]

3 hours ago, Bill & Katya said:

Any other immigrants doing it legally that is.  It is one of the reasons I am on this site, and try to help when I can do things legally.  Of course there will always be those that try to skirt the laws and hence this is why we need to include border security any time we start discussing immigration reform.  As to if the DV program should keep going, I don't think it should be based on the issue of the NYC idiot, but it should be decided based on the fact that we are robbing several countries of their best and brightest.

 

Are we kidnapping them? 

[charmander 692]

8 hours ago, Tahoma said:

Am I the only one here who actually knows someone who received their visa through the lottery?

 

My friend is from Poland, is now happily married, has two wonderful children, and works full-time.

No, I know more than 10 people. All Turkish. Some won DV when they were college students, made the move after they graduate; some were already here in non-immigrant visa and they adjusted status, few of them had established lives in Turkey but made the move after they won the lottery. All except one are working families. Only one family I know were in their 50s when they made the move to US. Very rich couple, lived in the US for 5 years, didn't work a single day here; moved back to Turkey after they naturalized and nowadays they are enjoying their US passport for visa-free travel around the world.

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3 hours ago, Bill & Katya said:

but it should be decided based on the fact that we are robbing several countries of their best and brightest.

I may have missed the part of the discussion where we talked about this.

 

How does the DV program rob the countries of their best and brightest? Isn't it a lottery system? I know there are inclusion criteria including some basic level of education, but the program isn't specifically targeting the "best and the brightest".

 

Wouldn't the "merit based" system of immigration that is supported by people here (as well as Trump) be worse then? If you are focused on us taking the best and brightest from other countries?

[charmander 692]

Let's talk some numbers about DV. I went to https://www.dhs.gov/immigration-statistics/lawful-permanent-residents . 2015 is the most recent year that is available. I looked at the Data Tables zip file.

Table 10D shows the composition of each category for each country. Categories are Family-sponsored, Employment-based, Immediate-relatives, Diversity, refugees, and other.

 

DVs (47934) made up 4.6% of all GCs (1051031) in 2015. Majority of DVs (41%) are from African countries. Overall top 5 countries that send the most DV immigrants are Nepal (3471), Egypt, Congo, Ethiopia, and Iran (2377). I then calculated the percentage of DV for each country's total number of immigrants to get the idea which countries rely on DV to immigrate to US the most. Top 5 that relies on DV are Algeria (58.3%), Uzbekistan, Moldova, Congo, and Liberia (47,1%).

 

I also looked at Table 9 for demographic age characteristics. Almost 59% of DVs are younger than 30 years old (including children); 95% are younger than 50 years old. That tells me majority of DVs will not come here just for fun, they will look for work and contribute.

 

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

39 minutes ago, CaliCat said:

 

Is there a special type of visa for citizens of the Philippines? I thought a tourist visa would be sufficient for them to visit here. 

No, there is not a special type of visa for people from the Philippines. But it is VERY hard for regular people to get a tourist visa from there. 

[smilesammich 10,727]

44 minutes ago, CaliCat said:

 

Is there a special type of visa for citizens of the Philippines? I thought a tourist visa would be sufficient for them to visit here. 

some folks from the philippines overstayed their visa, ruined it for everybody. some folks from south america crossed the border illegally, and now us tax payers have to build a big beautiful see thru wall. life isn't fair.

[CaliCat 3,957]

8 minutes ago, cyberfx1024 said:

No, there is not a special type of visa for people from the Philippines. But it is VERY hard for regular people to get a tourist visa from there. 

 

So, the other poster was misinformed when he said there was a special visa.

 

I have to say however, that the bar for getting a tourist visa for the US is the same for everyone, and yes, it is not an easy seal to obtain. 

[CaliCat 3,957]

6 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

some folks from the philippines overstayed their visa, ruined it for everybody. some folks from south america crossed the border illegally, and now us tax payers have to build a big beautiful see thru wall. life isn't fair.

 

Many, many people have also abused and continue to abuse the open border the VWP represents, and somehow we don't see anyone in congress calling for the end of it.

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3 minutes ago, CaliCat said:

 

Many, many people have also abused and continue to abuse the open border the VWP represents, and somehow we don't see anyone in congress calling for the end of it.

unfortunately limiting legal immigration is only going to cause fraud and abuse of vwp to skyrocket. imo..

[charmander 692]

2 minutes ago, CaliCat said:

 

Many, many people have also abused and continue to abuse the open border the VWP represents, and somehow we don't see anyone in congress calling for the end of it.

Actually EU might revoke the VWP first because US still enforces visas to EU members Poland, Bulgaria, Romania, Croatia, and Cyprus.

[CaliCat 3,957]

11 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

unfortunately limiting legal immigration is only going to cause fraud and abuse of vwp to skyrocket. imo..

 

VWP needs to go away. It's fraud-prone and abused often.