INVASION USA

[Fandango 1,439]

so.. this thread is about.. what.. saying that all drivers and mexican driving companies are full of illiterate drug illegal-smuggling drivers, and that mexican companies can't compete against the US standard, according to what? is it just a speculation or are there any facts, yes yes, i've heard stories about the non-english speaking drivers, but does that mean all the drivers are like that? or that all the companies hire such people?

or is it because now the USA is in an even NAFTA agreement, instead of the agreements that the US only wins, not Mexico

I don't claim to know anything about Mexican trucking companies or Mexican trucks in general (just want to point that out).

I do have a question though, some of you mention that these trucks won't have to follow Department of Transport regulations.

So are you saying you have no truck checks on your highways, that trucks are not pulled over randomly and regularly to be checked for road worthiness/weight/driver log etc? If you do, are the trucks from Mexico going to be exempt from these highway safety checks?

shhhh, don't interrupt the emotional overreaction with legitimate concerns....

[trailmix 77]

shhhh, don't interrupt the emotional overreaction with legitimate concerns....

[AnaAndDaniel 0]

so.. this thread is about.. what.. saying that all drivers and mexican driving companies are full of illiterate drug illegal-smuggling drivers, and that mexican companies can't compete against the US standard, according to what? is it just a speculation or are there any facts, yes yes, i've heard stories about the non-english speaking drivers, but does that mean all the drivers are like that? or that all the companies hire such people?

or is it because now the USA is in an even NAFTA agreement, instead of the agreements that the US only wins, not Mexico

I don't claim to know anything about Mexican trucking companies or Mexican trucks in general (just want to point that out).

I do have a question though, some of you mention that these trucks won't have to follow Department of Transport regulations.

So are you saying you have no truck checks on your highways, that trucks are not pulled over randomly and regularly to be checked for road worthiness/weight/driver log etc? If you do, are the trucks from Mexico going to be exempt from these highway safety checks?

shhhh, don't interrupt the emotional overreaction with legitimate concerns....

you are a riot LisaD.

why are you guys walking with your undies in a bunch? do you really think these foreign truk & drivers will not get checked? of course they will get checked. randomly and under guidelines, but checked they will be.

you all can relax them muscles now.

Daniel

:energetic:

[trailmix 77]

you are a riot LisaD.

why are you guys walking with your undies in a bunch? do you really think these foreign truk & drivers will not get checked? of course they will get checked. randomly and under guidelines, but checked they will be.

you all can relax them muscles now.

Daniel

:energetic:

Actually mine wasn't so much of a 'legitimate concern' as much as I was trying to make a point - which LisaD actually kind of made - except mine would read more like - don't interrupt the emotional overreaction with facts.

Decided I should clarify - I think this is just a storm in a teacup.

Edited September 7, 2007 by trailmix

[pedroh 21]

so.. this thread is about.. what.. saying that all drivers and mexican driving companies are full of illiterate drug illegal-smuggling drivers, and that mexican companies can't compete against the US standard, according to what? is it just a speculation or are there any facts, yes yes, i've heard stories about the non-english speaking drivers, but does that mean all the drivers are like that? or that all the companies hire such people?

or is it because now the USA is in an even NAFTA agreement, instead of the agreements that the US only wins, not Mexico

I don't claim to know anything about Mexican trucking companies or Mexican trucks in general (just want to point that out).

I do have a question though, some of you mention that these trucks won't have to follow Department of Transport regulations.

So are you saying you have no truck checks on your highways, that trucks are not pulled over randomly and regularly to be checked for road worthiness/weight/driver log etc? If you do, are the trucks from Mexico going to be exempt from these highway safety checks?

shhhh, don't interrupt the emotional overreaction with legitimate concerns....

which legitimate concerns? its just a bunch of fukcin speculations!!! #######.. oh yea but im emotional right, show me some fukcin facts and i will say no more.. but to think that just because it's mexican drivers and yall think its just a bunch of mad max illiterate fukcers who won't show any concern for the US rules and regulations, oh yeah, that's another big and true fact.. but oh well, it's MExico right, we can't do anything good,

[Fandango 1,439]

so.. this thread is about.. what.. saying that all drivers and mexican driving companies are full of illiterate drug illegal-smuggling drivers, and that mexican companies can't compete against the US standard, according to what? is it just a speculation or are there any facts, yes yes, i've heard stories about the non-english speaking drivers, but does that mean all the drivers are like that? or that all the companies hire such people?

or is it because now the USA is in an even NAFTA agreement, instead of the agreements that the US only wins, not Mexico

I don't claim to know anything about Mexican trucking companies or Mexican trucks in general (just want to point that out).

I do have a question though, some of you mention that these trucks won't have to follow Department of Transport regulations.

So are you saying you have no truck checks on your highways, that trucks are not pulled over randomly and regularly to be checked for road worthiness/weight/driver log etc? If you do, are the trucks from Mexico going to be exempt from these highway safety checks?

shhhh, don't interrupt the emotional overreaction with legitimate concerns....

which legitimate concerns? its just a bunch of fukcin speculations!!! #######.. oh yea but im emotional right, show me some fukcin facts and i will say no more.. but to think that just because it's mexican drivers and yall think its just a bunch of mad max illiterate fukcers who won't show any concern for the US rules and regulations, oh yeah, that's another big and true fact.. but oh well, it's MExico right, we can't do anything good,

pedroh, the bits in red are emotional responses...no one here said ANYTHING of the sort.

I'll speak for myself, these are concerns:

(chopped from the article btw)

Todd Spencer, spokesman for the Owner-Operator Independent Drivers Association, told WND that "to reach a conclusion that the safety regime in Mexico is compatible in any way, shape, or form with what we have here in the U.S. is ignoring reality. Mexico has never had hours-in-service regulations or drug testing of drivers. We still can't verify the accuracy of somebody's Commercial Driver’s License in Mexico for safety or compliance."

"If some state highway policeman in Vermont or Iowa stops a Mexican commercial truck in their state, they have absolutely no idea of deciding if that vehicle is in compliance with federal safety requirements. Who's going to provide the training or the equipment for state police to verify the legality of a commercial truck from Mexico, in terms of its cargo, its haul, its log book, or even the driver? Local police aren't going to have a clue."

Hoffa cited Mexico's inability to satisfy the DOT Inspector General's requirements for safety that have been mandated to the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration, or FMCSA.

and I agree that these are all valid questions

Will the drivers be checked against the terror watch list, or will our borders be open to anyone with a Mexican driver's license?

Will the drivers be required to carry a Mexican passport as U.S. citizens are required to present their passports when entering the country from Mexico?

Will all U.S. standards be applied to Mexican drivers, including the requirement that U.S. drivers undergo regular physicals and meet minimum age requirements?

Will Mexican truck drivers participating in the pilot program be required to undergo drug and alcohol testing in U.S. labs? Who will oversee the collection of random samples for drug and alcohol testing of the Mexican drivers while they are in the U.S.?

Will U.S. wage and hour laws be enforced for Mexican drivers during the pilot program? How will DOT enforce hours of service rules and prevent false log books and fatigued drivers from entering the U.S.?

How can DOT assure the U.S. public that all trucks will be inspected by U.S. officials in Mexico and at the U.S. border when fewer that 10 percent of all Mexican trucks entering the commercial zone are inspected today?

I'mma stop there cos I'll just wind up requoting the article.

Are these questions speculative in nature? Of course. But that doesn't change their validity. These things need to be ironed out before any such program takes effect.

[pedroh 21]

so.. this thread is about.. what.. saying that all drivers and mexican driving companies are full of illiterate drug illegal-smuggling drivers, and that mexican companies can't compete against the US standard, according to what? is it just a speculation or are there any facts, yes yes, i've heard stories about the non-english speaking drivers, but does that mean all the drivers are like that? or that all the companies hire such people?

or is it because now the USA is in an even NAFTA agreement, instead of the agreements that the US only wins, not Mexico

I don't claim to know anything about Mexican trucking companies or Mexican trucks in general (just want to point that out).

I do have a question though, some of you mention that these trucks won't have to follow Department of Transport regulations.

So are you saying you have no truck checks on your highways, that trucks are not pulled over randomly and regularly to be checked for road worthiness/weight/driver log etc? If you do, are the trucks from Mexico going to be exempt from these highway safety checks?

shhhh, don't interrupt the emotional overreaction with legitimate concerns....

which legitimate concerns? its just a bunch of fukcin speculations!!! #######.. oh yea but im emotional right, show me some fukcin facts and i will say no more.. but to think that just because it's mexican drivers and yall think its just a bunch of mad max illiterate fukcers who won't show any concern for the US rules and regulations, oh yeah, that's another big and true fact.. but oh well, it's MExico right, we can't do anything good,

pedroh, the bits in red are emotional responses...no one here said ANYTHING of the sort.

I'll speak for myself, these are concerns:

(chopped from the article btw)

Todd Spencer, spokesman for the Owner-Operator Independent Drivers Association, told WND that "to reach a conclusion that the safety regime in Mexico is compatible in any way, shape, or form with what we have here in the U.S. is ignoring reality. Mexico has never had hours-in-service regulations or drug testing of drivers. We still can't verify the accuracy of somebody's Commercial Driver’s License in Mexico for safety or compliance."

"If some state highway policeman in Vermont or Iowa stops a Mexican commercial truck in their state, they have absolutely no idea of deciding if that vehicle is in compliance with federal safety requirements. Who's going to provide the training or the equipment for state police to verify the legality of a commercial truck from Mexico, in terms of its cargo, its haul, its log book, or even the driver? Local police aren't going to have a clue."

Hoffa cited Mexico's inability to satisfy the DOT Inspector General's requirements for safety that have been mandated to the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration, or FMCSA.

and I agree that these are all valid questions

Will the drivers be checked against the terror watch list, or will our borders be open to anyone with a Mexican driver's license?

Will the drivers be required to carry a Mexican passport as U.S. citizens are required to present their passports when entering the country from Mexico?

Will all U.S. standards be applied to Mexican drivers, including the requirement that U.S. drivers undergo regular physicals and meet minimum age requirements?

Will Mexican truck drivers participating in the pilot program be required to undergo drug and alcohol testing in U.S. labs? Who will oversee the collection of random samples for drug and alcohol testing of the Mexican drivers while they are in the U.S.?

Will U.S. wage and hour laws be enforced for Mexican drivers during the pilot program? How will DOT enforce hours of service rules and prevent false log books and fatigued drivers from entering the U.S.?

How can DOT assure the U.S. public that all trucks will be inspected by U.S. officials in Mexico and at the U.S. border when fewer that 10 percent of all Mexican trucks entering the commercial zone are inspected today?

I'mma stop there cos I'll just wind up requoting the article.

Are these questions speculative in nature? Of course. But that doesn't change their validity. These things need to be ironed out before any such program takes effect.

I agree, and those are valid questions, but to think that they will smuggle drugs, illegals, that they won't try to adapt to the DOT regulations, like the hour service rules, is ridiculous, who says they won't? just because in Mexico they don't do it? they have to adapt to this market! and then even the title of the thread 'Invasion USA' what fukcin invasion are they talkin about? this is nothing new, or just because, it was part of NAFTA... just some stupid 'polemic' title for people to start spewing 'OHHH THE ILLEGALS' 'OHH THE DRUG SMUGGLING' 'OHH DRUNK MEXICAN TRUCK DRIVERS ARE GONNA KILL EVERYBODY' i mean.. ffs

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

Exactly. The title of the thread itself was meant to evoke an emotional response from people afraid of a brown alien invasion.

[Fandango 1,439]

I agree, and those are valid questions, but to think that they will smuggle drugs, illegals, that they won't try to adapt to the DOT regulations, like the hour service rules, is ridiculous, who says they won't? just because in Mexico they don't do it? they have to adapt to this market! and then even the title of the thread 'Invasion USA' what fukcin invasion are they talkin about? this is nothing new, or just because, it was part of NAFTA... just some stupid 'polemic' title for people to start spewing 'OHHH THE ILLEGALS' 'OHH THE DRUG SMUGGLING' 'OHH DRUNK MEXICAN TRUCK DRIVERS ARE GONNA KILL EVERYBODY' i mean.. ffs

I agree, the title was uncalled for....but there are many issues with this that go WAYYYY beyond 'oh noes! brown people!' However, I will say that securing the flow through the border IS a concern of mine - as I'm sure it is to many. And that's not just meant as 'illegal=mexican', but I am also concerned with how this could be circumvented to make a nice lil secret POE for ANYONE going through Mexico to come here.

As far as DOT regs...how can we really be sure a CDL in Mexico carries the same reqs a CDL carries here? Big trucks + truckers on a deadline who may be a bit sleep deprived = issue for anyone on the road....on a NORMAL day...

I'm a licensed RE salesperson in FL. Not in GA, or NY, CA, etc. Some states have reciprocity where I could theoretically carry it over...but there are those where the reqs for licensure are different, therefore no reciprocity. The same should absolutely hold true in this case.

[peejay 327]

Exactly. The title of the thread itself was meant to evoke an emotional response from people afraid of a brown alien invasion.

Let's see...12 to 20 million illegal aliens in our country. Roughly 80+% from Latin America and a majority of that percentage from Mexico. And that's not an invasion in your dictionary? What...does it take another 20 million before it qualifies as an bonafied invasion?

In the 1950's and 1960's the battle cry in Latin America was...Yanqui (yankee) go home! And our presence was not even a fraction of the intrusiveness that is going on now in our country.

Getting back to the trucking issue...there is a lot not to like about this situation that has absolutely nothing to do with race.