Why Are People Getting RFEs for Websites (IMBRA) with I-129F Submissions?

[Scandi 4,186]

9 hours ago, JonJulia said:

I just did that search and I didn't find much.  From what I gathered, it seems as though some filers brought the RFEs upon themselves....they told their story but it raised questions.

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/topic/553690-received-my-rfe-today/

 

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/topic/563944-rfe-circumstances-of-meeting-met-in-2008/

 

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/topic/632341-ref-for-circumstances-of-meeting-and-imb-bharatmatrimonycom/

 

[JonJulia 5]

20 minutes ago, Scandi said:

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/topic/553690-received-my-rfe-today/

 

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/topic/563944-rfe-circumstances-of-meeting-met-in-2008/

 

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/topic/632341-ref-for-circumstances-of-meeting-and-imb-bharatmatrimonycom/

 

The first two are from high fraud countries.  The last two look like they brought it upon themselves.  The first one....it's iffy...could be no reason other than the country.  Or they could have mentioned they met online in a brief statement.  Not enough information.  Then you have the old form vs new form issue.

Edited November 13, 2017 by JonJulia

[geowrian 22,338]

35 minutes ago, JonJulia said:

It's not naive.  It is what it is.  The divorce rate is like 50% anyway...never mind the K1 route.  Including evidence of a bona fide relationship is just that, and I will.  If the petitioner believes it, it's not fraudulent, now is it? Being duped is not fraud....it's being duped.  Am I being duped? No.  Could I use a ring from a crackerjack box and she wouldn't care? Yes.  But if I did that then the IO would think the commitment level is non-existent....a red flag.  The more effort....aka money...you spend, whether it be plane tickets, hotel stays, rings, etc., not only does it show a relationship, but it puts the 'cheap frauds' to bed.  If I was an IO....any petition that only had one meeting and the overall costs were nil, I'd RFE that sucker...especially if it were from a high fraud country.

The 50% divorce rate is misleading.  Anyway, the US divorce rate is around a 40 year low right now.

It's still fraud....just that the petitioner isn't in on it and is a victim instead of accomplice.

IOs and COs don't care about ring size. Plenty of people have been approved with no ring at all and it never came up as an issue.

More effort does not mean more money. Some of the laziest people I know put lots of money towards a relationship. There's no data to suggest that spending more money results in a higher likelihood of approval for a fiancee/spouse visa.

RFE the person for what, exactly? IOs don't assess the validity of the relationship for the I-129F. COs handle that aspect.

[SusieQQQ 11,587]

1 hour ago, JonJulia said:

 If the petitioner believes it, it's not fraudulent, now is it? Being duped is not fraud....it's being duped.  

Well, it is if the other person is only in it for a green card.

but like I said, it was no comment on your case, just that what you stated as “proof” is only (potential) proof of one side. 

As others have said, good luck with your case.i think everyone here is keenly hoping you keep the thread updated through your progress.

[JonJulia 5]

1 hour ago, geowrian said:

The 50% divorce rate is misleading.  Anyway, the US divorce rate is around a 40 year low right now.

It's still fraud....just that the petitioner isn't in on it and is a victim instead of accomplice.

IOs and COs don't care about ring size. Plenty of people have been approved with no ring at all and it never came up as an issue.

More effort does not mean more money. Some of the laziest people I know put lots of money towards a relationship. There's no data to suggest that spending more money results in a higher likelihood of approval for a fiancee/spouse visa.

RFE the person for what, exactly? IOs don't assess the validity of the relationship for the I-129F. COs handle that aspect.

Actually your response is misleading.  Trips cost money.  I suppose those lazy people make lots of trips. 

[JonJulia 5]

1 hour ago, SusieQQQ said:

Well, it is if the other person is only in it for a green card.

but like I said, it was no comment on your case, just that what you stated as “proof” is only (potential) proof of one side. 

As others have said, good luck with your case.i think everyone here is keenly hoping you keep the thread updated through your progress.

I swear the twisting of facts and perceptions of those who don't follow the board's advice of monkey see, monkey do.  

 

[Jaquelly 1,647]

I read through each post on this thread. It seems as though you're defensive, OP. No one here is saying that you HAVE to listen to their advice, but you certainly did ask for it when you posted here. What exactly are you looking for? 

[geowrian 22,338]

30 minutes ago, JonJulia said:

Actually your response is misleading.  Trips cost money.  I suppose those lazy people make lots of trips. 

Trips do cost money. Obvious statement is obvious.

But a one-week $1000 trip across the border to Mexico doesn't make it less than a $2,000 one-week trip to the Philippines. The amount spent doesn't change the legitimacy of the relationship.

Relationships take work and effort to maintain. Many wealthy people have poor relationships. Many poor people have wonderful relationships. The amount of money you spend adds no legitimacy to the relationship...not to be confused with the amount of time you spend together.

Edited November 13, 2017 by geowrian

[Jaquelly 1,647]

Also, not every couple can financially afford to showboat a huge ring and fly back and forth multiple times per year. 

 

Making assumptions that you can outsmart the embassy or USCIS by flaunting fancy vacations seems silly. They've been doing this a lot longer than an applicant has. Following the instructions, providing the evidence and doing your research (including the posts on this forum) is the best way to respond to your RFE.

 

Why try to be clever about it?

[AussieTam 48]

1 hour ago, JonJulia said:

I swear the twisting of facts and perceptions of those who don't follow the board's advice of monkey see, monkey do.  

 

If you don't  like the advice then do not take it.  I think you should apply for 90 day fiance the show. Everyone  should get the opportunity  from learning from someone as brilliant  and educated as yourself.

[SusieQQQ 11,587]

1 hour ago, JonJulia said:

I swear the twisting of facts and perceptions of those who don't follow the board's advice of monkey see, monkey do.  

 

What?

 

You said it's not fraud to be duped,  I just pointed out that depending on the motive, it most certainly can be, especially as USCIS regards immigration fraud.  What's that got to do with whether anyone follows advice or not?

[JonJulia 5]

1 hour ago, Jaquelly said:

Also, not every couple can financially afford to showboat a huge ring and fly back and forth multiple times per year. 

 

Making assumptions that you can outsmart the embassy or USCIS by flaunting fancy vacations seems silly. They've been doing this a lot longer than an applicant has. Following the instructions, providing the evidence and doing your research (including the posts on this forum) is the best way to respond to your RFE.

 

Why try to be clever about it?

There's a lot of people that go through the K1 process that have no business being married in the first place because they don't have the funds to take care of themselves, much less another person.

 

If you would have read what I wrote, I SAID I was going to strictly follow the instructions.....as opposed to blindly follow advice without foundation.  I don't have a RFE.  I wanted to know what prompted some folks to get RFEs and it's pretty obvious that most who have replied don't know yet are eager to give their 2 cents.

[JonJulia 5]

52 minutes ago, AussieTam said:

If you don't  like the advice then do not take it.  I think you should apply for 90 day fiance the show. Everyone  should get the opportunity  from learning from someone as brilliant  and educated as yourself.

Did you come here to answer the question....oh no..that's right....you're just following the herd

[gregcrs2 1,778]

[AussieTam 48]

6 minutes ago, JonJulia said:

Did you come here to answer the question....oh no..that's right....you're just following the herd

This is a social media discussion forum . If you don't like people giving their advise why did you ask for it . Numerous people have answered your question.  You have been given advice . I could explain why my partner and I got an RFE and what our experience was but you only seem to be interested in replies that fit your narrative. The K1 visa process is difficult and stressful . The members of visa journey made it bearable . If you choose to dictate what you want from here then you will get out of it what you put in . Which is currently a negative attitude.