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Anyone want to acknowledge the decreasing gun violence rate?

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/12/03/weve-had-a-massive-decline-in-gun-violence-in-the-united-states-heres-why/?utm_term=.f23910fc743c

 

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http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2013/05/07/gun-homicide-rate-down-49-since-1993-peak-public-unaware/

 

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Substitute "Liberal" for "2nd Amendment Conspiracy Theorists'" and you have a pretty good paragraph there.

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my kid has not really been worried about a nuclear attack, until trump got in office. so now he's stressed about random shootings and trump's itchy nuke finger.

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6 hours ago, jayjayj said:

Let's look at overall homicide rates per country per 100,000 inhabitants, reported by the UN.  You'll need to scroll down pretty far to get to the U.S. - which is 94th in the world.  Many of those countries have strict gun laws and hardly any firearms, so how do you explain the high murder rates?  I thought people only got murdered by guns?

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

 

UNODC murder rates (per 100,000 inhabitants). Most recent year UNODC has published
Country (or dependent territory,
subnational area, etc.) 		Rate Count Region Subregion Year
listed 		Notes
             
23px-Flag_of_El_Salvador.svg.png El Salvador 108.64 6,656 Americas Central America 2015  
23px-Flag_of_Honduras.svg.png Honduras 63.75 5,148 Americas Central America 2015  
23px-Flag_of_Venezuela.svg.png Venezuela 57.15 17,778 Americas South America 2015  
23px-Flag_of_the_United_States_Virgin_Is United States Virgin Islands (US) 52.64 56 Americas Caribbean 2010  
23px-Flag_of_Jamaica.svg.png Jamaica 43.21 1,207 Americas Caribbean 2012  
23px-Flag_of_Lesotho.svg.png Lesotho 38.00 764 Africa Southern Africa 2010  
23px-Flag_of_Belize.svg.png Belize 34.40 121 Americas Central America 2014  
23px-Flag_of_South_Africa.svg.png South Africa 34.27 18,673 Africa Southern Africa 2015  
23px-Flag_of_Saint_Kitts_and_Nevis.svg.p Saint Kitts and Nevis 33.55 18 Americas Caribbean 2012  
23px-Flag_of_Guatemala.svg.png Guatemala 31.21 4,998 Americas Central America 2014  
23px-Flag_of_Trinidad_and_Tobago.svg.png Trinidad and Tobago 30.88 420 Americas Caribbean 2015  
23px-Flag_of_the_Bahamas.svg.png Bahamas 29.81 111 Americas Caribbean 2012  
23px-Flag_of_Anguilla.svg.png Anguilla (UK) 27.66 4 Americas Caribbean 2014  
22px-Flag_of_Brazil.svg.png Brazil 26.74 55,574 Americas South America 2015  
23px-Flag_of_Colombia.svg.png Colombia 26.50 12,782 Americas South America 2015 notes
23px-Flag_of_Saint_Vincent_and_the_Grena Saint Vincent and the Grenadines 25.61 28 Americas Caribbean 2012  
23px-Flag_of_Saint_Lucia.svg.png Saint Lucia 21.56 39 Americas Caribbean 2012  
23px-Flag_of_Montserrat.svg.png Montserrat (UK) 20.39 1 Americas Caribbean 2008  
23px-Flag_of_Tuvalu.svg.png Tuvalu 20.28 2 Oceania Polynesia 2012  
23px-Flag_of_Guyana.svg.png Guyana 19.42 149 Americas South America 2015  
23px-Flag_of_the_Dominican_Republic.svg. Dominican Republic 17.39 1,810 Americas Caribbean 2014  
23px-Flag_of_Namibia.svg.png Namibia 16.93 388 Africa Southern Africa 2012  
23px-Flag_of_Mexico.svg.png Mexico 16.35 20,762 Americas Central America 2015 notes
23px-Flag_of_France.svg.png Saint Pierre and Miquelon (France) 15.94 1 Americas Northern America 2009  
23px-Flag_of_Puerto_Rico.svg.png Puerto Rico (US) 15.86 584 Americas Caribbean 2015  
23px-Flag_of_the_Cayman_Islands.svg.png Cayman Islands (UK) 14.74 8 Americas Caribbean 2009  
23px-Flag_of_South_Sudan.svg.png South Sudan 13.70 1,504 Africa Eastern Africa 2012 notes
20px-Flag_of_the_Democratic_Republic_of_ Democratic Republic of the Congo 13.36 10,322 Africa Middle Africa 2015  
23px-Flag_of_France.svg.png French Guiana (France) 13.17 30 Americas South America 2009  
23px-Flag_of_the_Central_African_Republi Central African Republic 13.09 642 Africa Middle Africa 2015 notes
23px-Flag_of_Greenland.svg.png Greenland (Denmark) 12.46 7 Americas Northern America 2015  
22px-Flag_of_Bolivia.svg.png Bolivia 12.40 1,270 Americas South America 2012  
23px-Flag_of_Uganda.svg.png Uganda 11.84 4,473 Africa Eastern Africa 2014  
23px-Flag_of_C%C3%B4te_d%27Ivoire.svg.pn Ivory Coast 11.84 2,688 Africa Western Africa 2015  
23px-Flag_of_Costa_Rica.svg.png Costa Rica 11.77 566 Americas Central America 2015  
23px-Flag_of_Nicaragua.svg.png Nicaragua 11.49 675 Americas Central America 2012  
23px-Flag_of_Panama.svg.png Panama 11.38 447 Americas Central America 2015  
23px-Flag_of_Russia.svg.png Russia 11.31 16,232 Europe Eastern Europe 2015  
23px-Flag_of_Antigua_and_Barbuda.svg.png Antigua and Barbuda 11.23 10 Americas Caribbean 2012  
23px-Flag_of_Barbados.svg.png Barbados 10.91 31 Americas Caribbean 2015  
23px-Flag_of_the_Republic_of_the_Congo.s Republic of the Congo 10.88 466 Africa Middle Africa 2015  
23px-Flag_of_Mali.svg.png Mali 10.82 1,905 Africa Western Africa 2015  
23px-Flag_of_Suriname.svg.png Suriname 10.68 58 Americas South America 2015  
23px-Flag_of_Botswana.svg.png Botswana 10.53 220 Africa Southern Africa 2011  
20px-Flag_of_Papua_New_Guinea.svg.png Papua New Guinea 10.42 713 Oceania Melanesia 2010  
23px-Flag_of_Mauritania.svg.png Mauritania 10.22 416 Africa Western Africa 2015  
23px-Flag_of_Haiti.svg.png Haiti 10.04 1,033 Americas Caribbean 2012  
23px-Flag_of_the_Philippines.svg.png Philippines 9.84 9,756 Asia South-Eastern Asia 2014  
23px-Flag_of_Nigeria.svg.png Nigeria 9.79 17,843 Africa Western Africa 2015  
23px-Flag_of_Angola.svg.png Angola 9.65 2,414 Africa Middle Africa 2015  
23px-Flag_of_Paraguay.svg.png Paraguay 9.29 617 Americas South America 2015  
23px-Flag_of_Guinea-Bissau.svg.png Guinea-Bissau 9.17 169 Africa Western Africa 2015  
23px-Flag_of_Togo.svg.png Togo 9.14 668 Africa Western Africa 2015  
23px-Flag_of_The_Gambia.svg.png Gambia 9.07 181 Africa Western Africa 2015  
23px-Flag_of_Chad.svg.png Chad 9.02 1,266 Africa Middle Africa 2015  
20px-Flag_of_Gabon.svg.png Gabon 9.00 155 Africa Middle Africa 2015  
23px-Flag_of_Cape_Verde.svg.png Cape Verde 8.84 46 Africa Western Africa 2015  
23px-Flag_of_Guinea.svg.png Guinea 8.46 1,067 Africa Western Africa 2015  
23px-Flag_of_Uruguay.svg.png Uruguay 8.42 289 Americas South America 2015  
23px-Flag_of_Dominica.svg.png Dominica 8.40 6 Americas Caribbean 2011  
23px-Flag_of_the_British_Virgin_Islands. British Virgin Islands (UK) 8.37 2 Americas Caribbean 2006  
23px-Flag_of_Ecuador.svg.png Ecuador 8.23 1,309 Americas South America 2014  
23px-Flag_of_Swaziland.svg.png Swaziland 8.16 102 Africa Southern Africa 2013  
23px-Flag_of_Qatar.svg.png Qatar 8.10 181 Asia Western Asia 2015  
23px-Flag_of_Iraq.svg.png Iraq 8.0 2,628 Asia Western Asia 2012 notes
23px-Flag_of_France.svg.png Guadeloupe (France) 7.90 36 Americas Caribbean 2009  
23px-Flag_of_Pakistan.svg.png Pakistan 7.81 13,846 Asia Southern Asia 2012 notes
23px-Flag_of_the_Comoros.svg.png Comoros 7.60 60 Africa Eastern Africa 2015  
23px-Flag_of_Ethiopia.svg.png Ethiopia 7.60 7,552 Africa Eastern Africa 2015  
23px-Flag_of_Grenada.svg.png Grenada 7.52 8 Americas Caribbean 2014  
23px-Flag_of_Kiribati.svg.png Kiribati 7.50 8 Oceania Micronesia 2012  
23px-Flag_of_Eritrea.svg.png Eritrea 7.46 390 Africa Eastern Africa 2015  
23px-Flag_of_Senegal.svg.png Senegal 7.30 1,105 Africa Western Africa 2015  
23px-Flag_of_Mongolia.svg.png Mongolia 7.23 214 Asia Eastern Asia 2015  
23px-Flag_of_Peru.svg.png Peru 7.16 2,247 Americas South America 2015  
23px-Flag_of_Tanzania.svg.png Tanzania 7.01 3,746 Africa Eastern Africa 2015  
23px-Flag_of_Laos.svg.png Laos 6.87 467 Asia South-Eastern Asia 2015  
23px-Flag_of_Djibouti.svg.png Djibouti 6.77 60 Africa Eastern Africa 2015  
23px-Flag_of_Zimbabwe.svg.png Zimbabwe 6.74 981 Africa Eastern Africa 2012  
23px-Flag_of_Yemen.svg.png Yemen 6.67 1,703 Asia Western Asia 2013  
23px-Flag_of_the_Turks_and_Caicos_Island Turks and Caicos Islands (UK) 6.61 2 Americas Caribbean 2009  
23px-Flag_of_Afghanistan.svg.png Afghanistan 6.55 1,948 Asia Southern Asia 2012 notes
23px-Flag_of_Argentina.svg.png Argentina 6.53 2,837 Americas South America 2015  
23px-Flag_of_Sudan.svg.png Sudan 6.45 2,596 Africa Northern Africa 2015 notes
23px-Flag_of_Bermuda.svg.png Bermuda (UK) 6.45 4 Americas Northern America 2015  
23px-Flag_of_Benin.svg.png Benin 6.01 654 Africa Western Africa 2015  
23px-Flag_of_Lithuania.svg.png Lithuania 5.98 172 Europe Northern Europe 2015  
23px-Flag_of_France.svg.png Mayotte (France) 5.93 12 Africa Eastern Africa 2009  
23px-Flag_of_Cameroon.svg.png Cameroon 5.93 1,385 Africa Middle Africa 2015  
23px-Flag_of_Zambia.svg.png Zambia 5.85 814 Africa Eastern Africa 2010  
23px-Flag_of_Kenya.svg.png Kenya 5.75 2,648 Africa Eastern Africa 2015  
23px-Flag_of_Somalia.svg.png Somalia 5.56 599 Africa Eastern Africa 2015 notes
23px-Flag_of_Kyrgyzstan.svg.png Kyrgyzstan 5.12 304 Asia Central Asia 2015  
23px-Flag_of_the_United_States.svg.png United States 4.88 15,696 Americas Northern America 2015

I don't think many people would argue it is reasonable to compare the USA to countries like El Salvador and Honduras.

 

A much more reasonable comparison would be of OECD Countries:

 

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6 hours ago, jayjayj said:

Anyone want to acknowledge the decreasing gun violence rate?

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/12/03/weve-had-a-massive-decline-in-gun-violence-in-the-united-states-heres-why/?utm_term=.f23910fc743c

 

FT_15.10.13_gunViolence.png

 

http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2013/05/07/gun-homicide-rate-down-49-since-1993-peak-public-unaware/

 

SDT-2013-05-gun-crime-1-1

I'll gladly acknowledge it. I'm happy it isn't as high as it used to be.

 

Would still like it to be lower. I see the drop from 1993 to 2000 and I'm sad that for some reason after that it hasn't really moved much. 

 

We can do much better.

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13 hours ago, Il Mango Dulce said:

Translation, only weapons lovers should be able to discuss updating gun laws. 

it seems you missed the point, which is that there is no such thing as a chain saw attachment.....

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Put a new plug and cleaned the filter of my CS590 yesterday, running like a champ.

 

Should I register it? Do I need a home inspection?

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11 minutes ago, Boiler said:

Put a new plug and cleaned the filter of my CS590 yesterday, running like a champ.

 

Should I register it? Do I need a home inspection?

Currently, no.

 

Perhaps if we have 10 or 20 "mass murder" events via chainsaw we may need to revisit that. 

 

Though since it isn't actually mentioned in an Amendment, perhaps for the USA it would only take 1.

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11 minutes ago, Boiler said:

Put a new plug and cleaned the filter of my CS590 yesterday, running like a champ.

 

Should I register it? Do I need a home inspection?

pffft. you would only need to register if you had a real chainsaw. let the authorities know when you get a husqvarna.

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Just now, smilesammich said:

pffft. you would only need to register if you had a real chainsaw. let the authorities know when you get a husqvarna.

I also have a Stihl, not sure I should be allowed more than one?

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1 minute ago, smilesammich said:

stihl shmeel

It is the AR15 of Chainsaws.

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33 minutes ago, bcking said:

I don't think many people would argue it is reasonable to compare the USA to countries like El Salvador and Honduras.

 

A much more reasonable comparison would be of OECD Countries:

 

Image result for OECD homicide rates

Let's not discriminate against certain countries, we should include them all for a real comparison.

 

 

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I have a 10% HD voucher and actually was thinking of a back up CS590, good bang for the buck.

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