'Mass shooting' reported at Sutherland Springs church in Texas

[charmander 692]

7 minutes ago, Il Mango Dulce said:

sometimes state and local laws need to be updated to reflect the reality of how the world has changed since 1968. 

some think it hasn't changed since 1791.

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

Just now, charmander said:

some think it hasn't changed since 1791.

Dude, I am still working with dueling pistols!  Make every shot count!

[Boiler 45,872]

11 minutes ago, Il Mango Dulce said:

sometimes state and local laws need to be updated to reflect the reality of how the world has changed since 1968. 

Colorado has strict laws seems some were bought here.

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

2 minutes ago, Boiler said:

Colorado has strict laws seems some were bought here.

Colorado has strict laws?  Since when?

[Boiler 45,872]

4 or 5 years ago?

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

3 hours ago, smilesammich said:

i still can't believe this guy only ever did 12 months for fracturing a baby's skull. many americans do much longer time than that for non-violent crime, that's for sure.

Yes if he had some cocaine we he did it, we could have locked him up and thrown away the key

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

54 minutes ago, Boiler said:

4 or 5 years ago?

oh. so after Columbine?

[Boiler 45,872]

1 minute ago, Il Mango Dulce said:

oh. so after Columbine?

Yup

 

 

[Steeleballz 7,550]

1 hour ago, Il Mango Dulce said:

Colorado has strict laws?  Since when?

 

   By strict, he means there's a law banning magazines that hold more than 15 rounds. From the reaction here, you would have thought they passed a law requiring gun owners to have a testicle removed or something.

[CaliCat 3,957]

6 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

   By strict, he means there's a law banning magazines that hold more than 15 rounds. From the reaction here, you would have thought they passed a law requiring gun owners to have a testicle removed or something.

 

Unlikely. It appears that most people who have an unhealthy attachment to their guns lack such appendices. LOL. 

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

2 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

   By strict, he means there's a law banning magazines that hold more than 15 rounds. From the reaction here, you would have thought they passed a law requiring gun owners to have a testicle removed or something.

Yup

And when I mean strict I mean laws that keep or remove weapons from those who are federally legal not supposed to have them.  "Enforce the existing laws!!!" but when funding, research or laws or put forward to achieve exactly that end, the gun lobby successfully shuts it down and makes an example of any politician to oppose their all-knowing will.

[Boiler 45,872]

1 minute ago, Il Mango Dulce said:

Yup

And when I mean strict I mean laws that keep or remove weapons from those who are federally legal not supposed to have them.  "Enforce the existing laws!!!" but when funding, research or laws or put forward to achieve exactly that end, the gun lobby successfully shuts it down and makes an example of any politician to oppose their all-knowing will.

Nobody is stopping enforcing the existing laws, not sure why you think otherwise.

[jayjayj 571]

13 hours ago, Póg mo said:

Do you own nuclear weapons? How about fully automatic machine guns? Or is the right to free speech unlimited? The Constitution says everyone has the right to free speech, but obviously that doesn't give me license to go to a crowded theater and scream 🔥 or bomb at the top of my lungs? Does it?  When someone gets murdered in the streets because someone wants to fully exercise their rights, what about the victim? No rights for you?

I don't have a right to own a nuclear bomb.  I can own an "automatic machine gun" depending on my state of residence and only if it was made before 1986 and is registered with the federal government.  It is none of your business whether or not I own one, or two, or three of them.  

 

You are doing something illegal if you scream fire or bomb in a theatre, not exercising your right to free speech.  The person who screams that gets prosecuted for breaking the law.  The other people in the theatre aren't then told their rights to free speech are now limited, because someone broke the law. 

 

When someone gets murdered in the streets, the person who murdered them committed a crime.  The person committing that crime was not exercising their rights to lawful gun ownership, they were committing a crime.  

[jayjayj 571]

5 hours ago, Il Mango Dulce said:

Yup

And when I mean strict I mean laws that keep or remove weapons from those who are federally legal not supposed to have them.  "Enforce the existing laws!!!" but when funding, research or laws or put forward to achieve exactly that end, the gun lobby successfully shuts it down and makes an example of any politician to oppose their all-knowing will.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jul/23/despite-rhetoric-gun-prosecutions-plummet-under-ob/

 

“We have this irony. The Obama administration, which is asking for more in the way of gun regulations — in terms of increased background checks for private sales and at gun shows — is actually prosecuting less of the gun laws already on the books,” said Robert Cottrol, a gun control historian at George Washington University. “For a lot of people, there’s more ideological cache harassing Bubba at the gun show than getting a handle on gun crime.”

[jayjayj 571]

9 hours ago, JimandChristy said:

But there are thousands of criminals in other first world countries, so why isn't the homicide rate by guns as high as the USA? You'll get there eventually.

Let's look at overall homicide rates per country per 100,000 inhabitants, reported by the UN.  You'll need to scroll down pretty far to get to the U.S. - which is 94th in the world.  Many of those countries have strict gun laws and hardly any firearms, so how do you explain the high murder rates?  I thought people only got murdered by guns?

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

 

UNODC murder rates (per 100,000 inhabitants). Most recent year UNODC has published

Country (or dependent territory, subnational area, etc.)	Rate	Count	Region	Subregion	Year listed	Notes
El Salvador	108.64	6,656	Americas	Central America	2015
Honduras	63.75	5,148	Americas	Central America	2015
Venezuela	57.15	17,778	Americas	South America	2015
United States Virgin Islands (US)	52.64	56	Americas	Caribbean	2010
Jamaica	43.21	1,207	Americas	Caribbean	2012
Lesotho	38.00	764	Africa	Southern Africa	2010
Belize	34.40	121	Americas	Central America	2014
South Africa	34.27	18,673	Africa	Southern Africa	2015
Saint Kitts and Nevis	33.55	18	Americas	Caribbean	2012
Guatemala	31.21	4,998	Americas	Central America	2014
Trinidad and Tobago	30.88	420	Americas	Caribbean	2015
Bahamas	29.81	111	Americas	Caribbean	2012
Anguilla (UK)	27.66	4	Americas	Caribbean	2014
Brazil	26.74	55,574	Americas	South America	2015
Colombia	26.50	12,782	Americas	South America	2015	notes
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines	25.61	28	Americas	Caribbean	2012
Saint Lucia	21.56	39	Americas	Caribbean	2012
Montserrat (UK)	20.39	1	Americas	Caribbean	2008
Tuvalu	20.28	2	Oceania	Polynesia	2012
Guyana	19.42	149	Americas	South America	2015
Dominican Republic	17.39	1,810	Americas	Caribbean	2014
Namibia	16.93	388	Africa	Southern Africa	2012
Mexico	16.35	20,762	Americas	Central America	2015	notes
Saint Pierre and Miquelon (France)	15.94	1	Americas	Northern America	2009
Puerto Rico (US)	15.86	584	Americas	Caribbean	2015
Cayman Islands (UK)	14.74	8	Americas	Caribbean	2009
South Sudan	13.70	1,504	Africa	Eastern Africa	2012	notes
Democratic Republic of the Congo	13.36	10,322	Africa	Middle Africa	2015
French Guiana (France)	13.17	30	Americas	South America	2009
Central African Republic	13.09	642	Africa	Middle Africa	2015	notes
Greenland (Denmark)	12.46	7	Americas	Northern America	2015
Bolivia	12.40	1,270	Americas	South America	2012
Uganda	11.84	4,473	Africa	Eastern Africa	2014
Ivory Coast	11.84	2,688	Africa	Western Africa	2015
Costa Rica	11.77	566	Americas	Central America	2015
Nicaragua	11.49	675	Americas	Central America	2012
Panama	11.38	447	Americas	Central America	2015
Russia	11.31	16,232	Europe	Eastern Europe	2015
Antigua and Barbuda	11.23	10	Americas	Caribbean	2012
Barbados	10.91	31	Americas	Caribbean	2015
Republic of the Congo	10.88	466	Africa	Middle Africa	2015
Mali	10.82	1,905	Africa	Western Africa	2015
Suriname	10.68	58	Americas	South America	2015
Botswana	10.53	220	Africa	Southern Africa	2011
Papua New Guinea	10.42	713	Oceania	Melanesia	2010
Mauritania	10.22	416	Africa	Western Africa	2015
Haiti	10.04	1,033	Americas	Caribbean	2012
Philippines	9.84	9,756	Asia	South-Eastern Asia	2014
Nigeria	9.79	17,843	Africa	Western Africa	2015
Angola	9.65	2,414	Africa	Middle Africa	2015
Paraguay	9.29	617	Americas	South America	2015
Guinea-Bissau	9.17	169	Africa	Western Africa	2015
Togo	9.14	668	Africa	Western Africa	2015
Gambia	9.07	181	Africa	Western Africa	2015
Chad	9.02	1,266	Africa	Middle Africa	2015
Gabon	9.00	155	Africa	Middle Africa	2015
Cape Verde	8.84	46	Africa	Western Africa	2015
Guinea	8.46	1,067	Africa	Western Africa	2015
Uruguay	8.42	289	Americas	South America	2015
Dominica	8.40	6	Americas	Caribbean	2011
British Virgin Islands (UK)	8.37	2	Americas	Caribbean	2006
Ecuador	8.23	1,309	Americas	South America	2014
Swaziland	8.16	102	Africa	Southern Africa	2013
Qatar	8.10	181	Asia	Western Asia	2015
Iraq	8.0	2,628	Asia	Western Asia	2012	notes
Guadeloupe (France)	7.90	36	Americas	Caribbean	2009
Pakistan	7.81	13,846	Asia	Southern Asia	2012	notes
Comoros	7.60	60	Africa	Eastern Africa	2015
Ethiopia	7.60	7,552	Africa	Eastern Africa	2015
Grenada	7.52	8	Americas	Caribbean	2014
Kiribati	7.50	8	Oceania	Micronesia	2012
Eritrea	7.46	390	Africa	Eastern Africa	2015
Senegal	7.30	1,105	Africa	Western Africa	2015
Mongolia	7.23	214	Asia	Eastern Asia	2015
Peru	7.16	2,247	Americas	South America	2015
Tanzania	7.01	3,746	Africa	Eastern Africa	2015
Laos	6.87	467	Asia	South-Eastern Asia	2015
Djibouti	6.77	60	Africa	Eastern Africa	2015
Zimbabwe	6.74	981	Africa	Eastern Africa	2012
Yemen	6.67	1,703	Asia	Western Asia	2013
Turks and Caicos Islands (UK)	6.61	2	Americas	Caribbean	2009
Afghanistan	6.55	1,948	Asia	Southern Asia	2012	notes
Argentina	6.53	2,837	Americas	South America	2015
Sudan	6.45	2,596	Africa	Northern Africa	2015	notes
Bermuda (UK)	6.45	4	Americas	Northern America	2015
Benin	6.01	654	Africa	Western Africa	2015
Lithuania	5.98	172	Europe	Northern Europe	2015
Mayotte (France)	5.93	12	Africa	Eastern Africa	2009
Cameroon	5.93	1,385	Africa	Middle Africa	2015
Zambia	5.85	814	Africa	Eastern Africa	2010
Kenya	5.75	2,648	Africa	Eastern Africa	2015
Somalia	5.56	599	Africa	Eastern Africa	2015	notes
Kyrgyzstan	5.12	304	Asia	Central Asia	2015
United States	4.88	15,696	Americas	Northern America	2015