'Mass shooting' reported at Sutherland Springs church in Texas

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

1 hour ago, CaliCat said:

 

Here is data that supports what millions off Americans have already realized.

 

What Explains U.S. Mass Shootings? International Comparisons Suggest an Answer

 

When the world looks at the United States, it sees a land of exceptions: a time-tested if noisy democracy, a crusader in foreign policy, an exporter of beloved music and film.

But there is one quirk that consistently puzzles America’s fans and critics alike. Why, they ask, does it experience so many mass shootings?

Perhaps, some speculate, it is because American society is unusually violent. Or its racial divisions have frayed the bonds of society. Or its citizens lack proper mental care under a health care system that draws frequent derision abroad.

These explanations share one thing in common: Though seemingly sensible, all have been debunked by research on shootings elsewhere in the world. Instead, an ever-growing body of research consistently reaches the same conclusion.

The only variable that can explain the high rate of mass shootings in America is its astronomical number of guns.

 

 

What Explains Mass Shootings

The top-line numbers suggest a correlation that, on further investigation, grows only clearer.

Americans make up about 4.4 percent of the global population but own 42 percent of the world’s guns. From 1966 to 2012, 31 percent of the gunmen in mass shootings worldwide were American, according to a 2015 study by Adam Lankford, a professor at the University of Alabama.

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Adjusted for population, only Yemen has a higher rate of mass shootings among countries with more than 10 million people — a distinction Mr. Lankford urged to avoid outliers. Yemen has the world’s second-highest rate of gun ownership after the United States.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Except the vast vast majority of legal gun owners never hurt a flea and if you remove 2 or 3 gang ridden Democratic paradise ####### holes are rates are comparable or less than Europe.

 

Article is full of gaping holes 

[CaliCat 3,957]

6 minutes ago, IDWAF said:

Personally, I don’t use their numbers.  I prefer the FBI and CDC.  And my reply to NutsOSteele was about mass murders, the topic at hand.

 

You don't have to use their numbers, but that don't make them any less true. Your preference doesn't affect the data. And gun violence is pretty much on topic in this thread.

1 minute ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

Except the vast vast majority of legal gun owners never hurt a flea and if you remove 2 or 3 gang ridden Democratic paradise ####### holes are rates are comparable or less than Europe.

 

Article is full of gaping holes 

 

Go ahead, point them out, and support your claim. KYO.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

5 minutes ago, CaliCat said:

 

You don't have to use their numbers, but that don't make them any less true. Your preference doesn't affect the data. And gun violence is pretty much on topic in this thread.

 

Go ahead, point them out, and support your claim. KYO.

Actually, it DOES make them less true.  Didja happen to see the big footnote 1 on the 13K death statstic?  Scroll down to find out it’s not actually deaths, it’s deaths plus injuries.  So there goes THAT “statistic”.  I much prefer factual numbers, thank you.  Hence the FBI and CDC.

 

That would be like going to breitbart.com to find out how many times alt-right people hurt some innocent person.

[Ban Hammer 13,469]

53 minutes ago, Il Mango Dulce said:

No other country has more than 46 million gunsor 18 mass shooters.

The United States has 270 million guns and had

90 mass shooters from 1966 to 2012.

 No other country has more than 46 million guns or 18 mass shooters.

 

like china, which is listed in the graph - i wonder why they don't have so many guns.......

[Sonea 138]

44 minutes ago, IDWAF said:

That was counting the 3,000 folks on 9/11.  I just added up all the numbers since 2001.  Had I dropped all the way to 1970, it would have been a more accurate comparison, but I was in a hurry.  I would imagine going back that far, the number would drop to 120 per year or so.

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_the_United_States

That one event really skews the numbers. Its why number-wise - EU mass shooting deaths are actually fairly high when you factor one major event - the Norway killings in 2011. They are more deadly than anything we've seen in the US even Vegas.

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

1 minute ago, Ban Hammer said:

like china, which is listed in the graph - i wonder why they don't have so many guns.......

I like Canada, right next door with the same TV shows, hunting rifles, and more per capita Mid East refugees

[Sonea 138]

2 minutes ago, Ban Hammer said:

like china, which is listed in the graph - i wonder why they don't have so many guns.......

I feel like every time someone brings up the quantity of guns in the US it feels like an SPCA ad. Good gun owners need to adopt more stray guns to keep them out of the killers' hands.

 

 

[Sonea 138]

45 minutes ago, JimandChristy said:

Classic diversion tactics, mention anything but guns. Compare gun crime/fatalities in other first world countries the USA is very much an outlier. Why? Not because of mental health, not because of break down in society, but because of how easy/available it is to get a gun in this country.

If the US adopted say Canada's laws, do you think the number of guns and gun owners would significantly drop? I don't really think it would.

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

3 minutes ago, Sonea said:

If the US adopted say Canada's laws, do you think the number of guns and gun owners would significantly drop? I don't really think it would.

what would make the number of guns drop?

[CaliCat 3,957]

31 minutes ago, IDWAF said:

Personally, I don’t use their numbers.  I prefer the FBI and CDC.  And my reply to NutsOSteele was about mass murders, the topic at hand.

Share a link to your source. Others might benefit.

[Sonea 138]

3 minutes ago, Il Mango Dulce said:

what would make the number of guns drop?

Not alot. Guns are durable goods that can last a long time.  I actually think guns will grow across all of the western world as technology moves ahead of arms control (from 3d printing to stamped sheet metal guns)

Edited November 8, 2017 by Sonea

[Steeleballz 7,550]

4 minutes ago, Sonea said:

If the US adopted say Canada's laws, do you think the number of guns and gun owners would significantly drop? I don't really think it would.

 

     On new hand gun purchases, probably would. The 28 day waiting period puts a damper on impulse buyers. 

 

    Not sure it would do anything with existing guns though. The goal would have to be long term. 

[Sonea 138]

Just now, Steeleballz said:

 

     On new hand gun purchases, probably would. The 28 day waiting period puts a damper on impulse buyers. 

 

    Not sure it would do anything with existing guns though. The goal would have to be long term. 

Many states have waiting periods. My state does. 

[Steeleballz 7,550]

4 minutes ago, Sonea said:

Many states have waiting periods. My state does. 

 

   Do you think your state's laws are as restrictive as Canadian firearm laws though? I lived in Canada for 22 years and I saw one non collector handgun. Lots of rifles though.

 

  

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

29 minutes ago, CaliCat said:

Share a link to your source. Others might benefit.

 I’m certain you can find the FBI and CDC sites fairly easily without my help.  But what the heck, I’m not busy...

 

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-4.xls

 

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/topic-pages/expanded-offense