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25 minutes ago, Póg mo said:

Well, it seems the laws governing gun ownership aren't exactly robust enough to handle situations where individuals decide to sell their guns to unlicensed third parties.  Perhaps a national database of guns and strictly enforcing of laws requiring people who don't report selling or loosing guns within a set period of time. Annual gun checks could be another solution worth considering.

That certainly is a hole that needs to be plugged.  But how?  Here’s a brief blurb on private sales that may show how difficult it would be to provide oversight on a transaction:

 

“There are many things to consider when dealing with private sales, and the first is if it is legal in your state. Not all states allow private sales, and some have certain restrictions that you should be aware of. For example, in California private sales must be completed through licensed firearm dealers. Connecticut requires the person making the transfer to get an authorization number before such sales can be completed, and forbids the transfer of long guns unless certain conditions are met. A number of other states have similar restrictions. It is also illegal to sell a firearm to a resident of another state without going through a dealer, and sellers cannot ship directly to (non-FFL) buyers in another state. Selling to convicted felons and any other prohibited purchaser is illegal as well.”

 

Even with those restrictions in place, if I wish to sell a gun to my brother or friend in another state (still have to hand-deliver it, can’t ship it by law), it is very easy to do so.  Obviously, I wouldn’t do it unless I knew and trusted the person, but not everyone has those same personal guidelines.

 

What do you mean by annual gun checks?  As in bringing in your guns each year (say to the courthouse) to prove you still have them?

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30 minutes ago, Póg mo said:

Well, it seems the laws governing gun ownership aren't exactly robust enough to handle situations where individuals decide to sell their guns to unlicensed third parties.  Perhaps a national database of guns and strictly enforcing of laws requiring people who don't report selling or loosing guns within a set period of time. Annual gun checks could be another solution worth considering.

What is this licensing you talk about?

Please describe ... 

 

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Shooter reportedly once escaped from a mental hospital while facing his criminal charges for domestic abuse and harming a child, also included threatening his superior officers and sneaking weapons onto base. Cool.

 

I'm also going to point to his social media page, which highlighted one of his gun purchases. His 'friends' apparently thought of no concerns about it, despite knowing his history? He was also on psychological medications during his childhood and reportedly once dated a 13 year old when he was an adult (!!!??)

 

And... can the gun owners here please explain to me how he was not licensed to carry a firearm in the state of Texas, but still managed to obtain several, 'legally' over the years in Texas? If a license is required, how can one buy it to begin with? He does not seem to have obtained them from shady sources either.

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38 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

 

And... can the gun owners here please explain to me how he was not licensed to carry a firearm in the state of Texas, but still managed to obtain several, 'legally' over the years in Texas? If a license is required, how can one buy it to begin with? He does not seem to have obtained them from shady sources either.

License to carry or license to own?

 

If license to own ...

To keep at home?

 

If license to carry ...

Concealed?

Not concealed? 

 

Which are you asking?

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3 minutes ago, natty bumppo said:

License to carry or license to own?

 

If license to own ...

To keep at home?

 

If license to carry ...

Concealed?

Not concealed? 

 

Which are you asking?

License to carry. http://wgntv.com/2017/11/06/texas-church-shooting-suspect-devin-kelley-denied-gun-license-governor-says/

The governor did not list specifics. If something in his history when filling out those forms denied him the ability to obtain that, why was nothing else red-flagged?

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   Yeah it does improve patient care, but I understand that you don't really get it, just as I wouldn't expect a doctor to tell you the best way to go about selling cars. You are certainly entitled to your opinion though. Healthcare is skyrocketing for many reasons, not the least of which is that people can't say no to 1500 calorie happy meals.

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2 hours ago, Póg mo said:

Well, it seems the laws governing gun ownership aren't exactly robust enough to handle situations where individuals decide to sell their guns to unlicensed third parties.  Perhaps a national database of guns and strictly enforcing of laws requiring people who don't report selling or loosing guns within a set period of time. Annual gun checks could be another solution worth considering.

Annual Gun checks... Uh   Nooooooooooooooooo

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1 hour ago, yuna628 said:

Shooter reportedly once escaped from a mental hospital while facing his criminal charges for domestic abuse and harming a child, also included threatening his superior officers and sneaking weapons onto base. Cool.

 

I'm also going to point to his social media page, which highlighted one of his gun purchases. His 'friends' apparently thought of no concerns about it, despite knowing his history? He was also on psychological medications during his childhood and reportedly once dated a 13 year old when he was an adult (!!!??)

 

And... can the gun owners here please explain to me how he was not licensed to carry a firearm in the state of Texas, but still managed to obtain several, 'legally' over the years in Texas? If a license is required, how can one buy it to begin with? He does not seem to have obtained them from shady sources either.

Because govt failed us yet again 

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3 hours ago, Póg mo said:

Well yes, if gun owners are law abiding, then yes they are by definition not a problem. The problem with gun owners who cease to be law abiding, or just plain careless. Understand? 

Which is criminal behavior, which is one of the problems I specifically mentioned.  Do you understand?

 

 

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Deep and off topic, to say the least. 

Completely on topic.

 

 

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3 hours ago, Póg mo said:

Well, it seems the laws governing gun ownership aren't exactly robust enough to handle situations where individuals decide to sell their guns to unlicensed third parties.  Perhaps a national database of guns and strictly enforcing of laws requiring people who don't report selling or loosing guns within a set period of time. Annual gun checks could be another solution worth considering.

Easier than that. Just require all transfers to go through an FFL. Either subsidize the cost, or set the fee very low. 

 

This is what we do in CA. Both Parties show up at the shop, the gun is given to the shop, a background check is done, and the gun is released to the new owner. One negative side effect that the state government is NOT willing to address is that while the fee (15 USD) is fixed and mandated, FFLs are breaking the law and starting to charge more.

 

 

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44 minutes ago, jayjayj said:

Which is criminal behavior, which is one of the problems I specifically mentioned.  Do you understand?

Obviously it's not law abiding gun owners, now is it?:rolleyes:

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Easier than that. Just require all transfers to go through an FFL. Either subsidize the cost, or set the fee very low. 

 

This is what we do in CA. Both Parties show up at the shop, the gun is given to the shop, a background check is done, and the gun is released to the new owner. One negative side effect that the state government is NOT willing to address is that while the fee (15 USD) is fixed and mandated, FFLs are breaking the law and starting to charge more.

 

 

I don't have a problem with that. Still a very small percentage.  I think straw purchases may be a bigger problem 

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23 minutes ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

I don't have a problem with that. Still a very small percentage.  I think straw purchases may be a bigger problem 

There really is no way to manually stop a straw purchase...all you can do is deter it with heavy sentencing if caught.

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3 hours ago, yuna628 said:

 

And... can the gun owners here please explain to me how he was not licensed to carry a firearm in the state of Texas, but still managed to obtain several, 'legally' over the years in Texas? If a license is required, how can one buy it to begin with? He does not seem to have obtained them from shady sources either.

I can buy a gun in my state without anything besides a drivers license.  I can only carry concealed with a CC permit/license.  Two different animals.

 

In most states, having a CC permit means that when buying a gun, you can forego the background check, because you essentially already did that.  So in GA, you walk into a sporting good store, show your CC permit and drivers license, they record all your info, your purchase is entered into a federal firearms purchase database, and you walk out with the pistol (long guns don’t require a background check in most states).

 

If you don’t have that CC permit, then a background check must be run on you.  Takes longer, but can still be done on site usually.  Gone are the days when it took 3 days to get the results back.

 

So as for your question, a CC permit is not require to purchase a gun.  It can make it simpler, but that is all.  You only have to have one if you plan to carry concealed.

 
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