'Mass shooting' reported at Sutherland Springs church in Texas

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2 minutes ago, Beachlover said:

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No, there is also a responsibility to take for the society. And I believe that no one cares or dares to burn their fingers on this.

 

Everytime this happens we are all shocked, but it doesn't take long for everyone to carry on with their lives and "forget" about what happened.

Society can do everything to give this person a chance. 

The question is ... will the person take advantage and prosper ... or take a dump on the opportunity and blame everyone else?

 

 

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11 minutes ago, natty bumppo said:

Society can do everything to give this person a chance. 

The question is ... will the person take advantage and prosper ... or take a dump on the opportunity and blame everyone else?

 

 

It's not so much about giving them a chance. I'm not sure how to explain this, but it's something I noticed when I moved to America, there is an immense pressure to perform. There is this weird thing of being a hero ( seriously, almost every American male I met had this desire ) or doing something heroic. In my opinion it forms an identity, you are either successful or a failure. 

 

Not sure this makes sense? It's really hard to explain because it's based on interactions with people.

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[natty bumppo 297]

I've heard this before ... my wife said we are a fiercely independent bunch with a can-do... must-do attitude.

This hero wants to do good ... help others .. slay dragons ... win the big game ... 

While it may be nice to be the popular recognized hero ... there are many who just want to be the hero at home with the only reward being hugs and kisses from the family.

 

The thing to remember ... that be a success or failure ... do the right thing and keep trying. Be able to look at the face in the mirror and know you're working towards good goals. (gosh ... i almost sound like a cubs fan ... )

Can it be frustrating ... depressing ... well who's yardstick are you measuring yourself against? Your own or that imposed by the media and others?

 

 

 

[Sonea 138]

Breaking.

 

Airforce has said it failed to enter domestic violence charge in to system.

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1 minute ago, Sonea said:

Breaking.

 

Airforce has said it failed to enter domestic violence charge in to system.

Meaning the USAF (gov't) had a job to do  .. and the gov't didn't do it's job?

 

 

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

2 hours ago, Beachlover said:

My husband always says that growing up in America's 80's was totally different then growing up now. He would be gone for hours till dark.His parents wouldn't be worried cause that was very common those days. 

I guess times have changed.

This is VERY true.  Times HAVE changed.  It's sad (and strange to me) that we are where we are today as a society.  I often wonder what my grandfather would say about how things have changed, and why.

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2 hours ago, smilesammich said:

access to constant media is one thing but mass shootings also did not occur at anywhere near the rate they do now..http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/12/mass-shootings-mother-jones-full-data/

Very true.  I've said it before, how "back in my day", kids brought guns to school in their vehicles.  Pretty much every boy had a knife in his pocket.  No one got shot.  Not sure there were any raging lunatics doing mass shootings in my teen years.  

 

The crime rate has been dropping, but these mass shooters seem to be on the rise.  

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1 hour ago, natty bumppo said:

gun culture?

The inanimate object that requires the action of a human being to make work? 

 

Let's also talk about the truck culture, fertilizer culture, acid culture, knife culture, toss-off-the-building culture, mutilation culture, etc.

These all require one thing .. a human being with the intent to harm others.

 

A human being is the problem ... not the item selected to inflict harm.

Yes.  You get the underlying root of the problem!  I agree with you.  My question is... why?  Guns have been available to us for decades.  Why the recent (apparent) uptick in "mass" gun homicides?  Is it just media coverage?  More mental un-healthiness than before?

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1 hour ago, CaliCat said:

 

I am talking about the gun culture that exists as a layer of American culture. It's subtle in form, but rather obvious in its manifestation. 

 

I disagree that a human being is the problem. In our country, the problem are millions of human beings who bury their heads in the sand and pretend gun violence either doesn't exist or if it does, it's someone else's problem.  

You DO realize that guns have been a part of America since day 1, right?  It's how "the West was won".  But respect for human life in generations past was far greater, I think.  

 

Guns are simply the (weapon/tool) of choice.  The person MAKING the choice is at fault.  I find it hard to believe you can't see that.

 

(I am NOT saying there isn't a problem that needs addressed, BTW)

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4 minutes ago, IDWAF said:

  More mental un-healthiness than before?

And the question is, what is causing people to become mentally ill?

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2 minutes ago, Beachlover said:

And the question is, what is causing people to become mentally ill?

Social media and the internet.  There is a condition to fit everyone who is not comfortable with themselves. 

 

I don't think there are any more mentally unstable people today than 20 years ago.  But now we hear more about it, it is the "norm", and it's ok to "be different.  Glorified, actually.  "Back then", thinking about killing someone was normal, but held within.  Today, so many people are not only thinking it, but doing it, so it is becoming the new normal.

 

Just a theory.   Mine.  Have no data to back it up.

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1 minute ago, IDWAF said:

Social media and the internet.  There is a condition to fit everyone who is not comfortable with themselves. 

 

I don't think there are any more mentally unstable people today than 20 years ago.  But now we hear more about it, it is the "norm", and it's ok to "be different.  Glorified, actually.  "Back then", thinking about killing someone was normal, but held within.  Today, so many people are not only thinking it, but doing it, so it is becoming the new normal.

 

Just a theory.   Mine.  Have no data to back it up.

I agree with that theory, but from what I've seen and actually been told by a psychiatrist is that they see and increase in drugs related schizophrenic ilnesses.

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29 minutes ago, IDWAF said:

Very true.  I've said it before, how "back in my day", kids brought guns to school in their vehicles.  Pretty much every boy had a knife in his pocket.  No one got shot.  Not sure there were any raging lunatics doing mass shootings in my teen years.  

 

The crime rate has been dropping, but these mass shooters seem to be on the rise.  

i think the ever rising suicide rates have something to do with it. 

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14 minutes ago, IDWAF said:

Social media and the internet.  There is a condition to fit everyone who is not comfortable with themselves. 

 

I don't think there are any more mentally unstable people today than 20 years ago.  But now we hear more about it, it is the "norm", and it's ok to "be different.  Glorified, actually.  "Back then", thinking about killing someone was normal, but held within.  Today, so many people are not only thinking it, but doing it, so it is becoming the new normal.

 

Just a theory.   Mine.  Have no data to back it up.

mental illness and being different are not at all the same thing.. disagree with your theory as presented.

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1 hour ago, Beachlover said:

And the question is, what is causing people to become mentally ill?

overcrowding.  i remember reading an experiment with mice, where they overcrowded them and they all went nuts, became cannibals and so on.