In-State Tuition For Illegal Immigrants Sparks Controversy

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With all being said, a lot of these illegal immigrants gain employment (illegally) but are also paying taxes. The only thing about it is that they can't or won't file a tax return and get their money back. People complain all the time about taxes...when you tax liability is less than $1,000 after all the deductions. Come and let's be real....How much will it truely effect your pocket if they attend school at a reduced rate? The reduced rate is not even cheap.

I'm a born US citizen and I just can't seem to understand or care to understand why people are so angry at illegals. If this country had a problem with too many LEGALS there will be comments on how to restrict their quest for success in our wonderful country. For GOD SAKES, pelple can't even VISIT the US without problems.

Sorry, I just want to vent.

The work-around they use is claiming married with 10 dependents on their w-4 to minimize their withholdings. So they under pay their taxes.

Well American's do the samethings...Earned Income Credit...I know people getting paid to work. The government pays them.

They (illegal immigrants) still have to pay Social Security and Medicare Taxes. FICA is taken out regardless. And guess what they are not eligible for neither program. But again that's the price they pay...I guess. It's just hard for me to really be hard core against it...you know...like marching in protest to it....because I don't see how it effects me personally.

[Fandango 1,439]

So you wont mind having your taxes raised to pay the cost of deporting them all..... and then having to pay the increased cost of everything you buy because the manufacturers cant find Americans to do the jobs needed at a rate they can pay without increesing the product cost... I dont think america can afford that....

Kez

That is a bullsh!t response and you know it.

So hrmm, I'll have to pay more money because damnit, we can't find cheap labor to exploit! <--yeah that's a good humanitarian attitude. What about the children????

And yes, I will willingly pay higher taxes to deport these people AND pay more for goods which don't exploit people. I'm not just anti-illegal immigration. I'm anti-corporate exploitation of illegal labor.

[Niels Bohr 72]

That's a penalty they have to pay.

Note: Just saw a man with breasts outside.

Edited April 24, 2007 by consolemaster

[Fandango 1,439]

That's a penalty they have to pay.

Right so all these 'oh they're so hard done to' responses, and yet you support the exploitation of their labor so in the end it 'saves you money'

or are you really afraid the American labor force will collapse?

Hell, lets go one further...let's enslave them so we don't have to pay them anything.

Note: Just saw a man with breasts outside.

All men have breasts ;P

[Niels Bohr 72]

You got that right LisaD. If you think in terms of exploiting them. I don't. I think in terms of economic stability.

[Hilarious Clinton 452]

With all being said, a lot of these illegal immigrants gain employment (illegally) but are also paying taxes. The only thing about it is that they can't or won't file a tax return and get their money back. People complain all the time about taxes...when you tax liability is less than $1,000 after all the deductions. Come and let's be real....How much will it truely effect your pocket if they attend school at a reduced rate? The reduced rate is not even cheap.

I'm a born US citizen and I just can't seem to understand or care to understand why people are so angry at illegals. If this country had a problem with too many LEGALS there will be comments on how to restrict their quest for success in our wonderful country. For GOD SAKES, pelple can't even VISIT the US without problems.

Sorry, I just want to vent.

The work-around they use is claiming married with 10 dependents on their w-4 to minimize their withholdings. So they under pay their taxes.

Well American's do the samethings...Earned Income Credit...I know people getting paid to work. The government pays them.

They (illegal immigrants) still have to pay Social Security and Medicare Taxes. FICA is taken out regardless. And guess what they are not eligible for neither program. But again that's the price they pay...I guess. It's just hard for me to really be hard core against it...you know...like marching in protest to it....because I don't see how it effects me personally.

many are payed cash money and don't pay taxes at all.

[Fandango 1,439]

You got that right LisaD. If you think in terms of exploiting them. I don't. I think in terms of economic stability.

I don't think in terms of exploiting them...I was countering the point of 'oh these poor illegals...doing the job no American is willing to do' I find that a curious comment when you add it to a 'think of the children!' comment. So which one is it? Are we to think of the children, and because they're children allow them to break the law? Or are we giving consideration because they provide a service which is under American work standards?

Is this a magnanimous or a selfish interest?

My stance is clear: illegal immigration needs to stop. We shouldn't reward illegal behavior. I don't care if I have to pay more at the stores for it, and I am willing to temporarily pay more to have them all deported. I say temporarily because I feel that cost is nothing compared to the collective costs that illegal immigrants cause over a long period of time.

Oh, and...What about the kids? Well what about all the American kids whose families can't afford to send them to college? What about them?

And if we're interested in giving a better life to every disadvantaged person on the planet....well, our hearts can bleed til the cows come home, but that's just not possible. I'm more interested in seeing the flourishing of low-income American families, as well as new-legal immigrants trying to make their way in a new country. Look around this site alone in the 'moving to America' forum and you tell me that many would turn their noses up at ANY job just to get their feet in the door.

[peejay 327]

So you wont mind having your taxes raised to pay the cost of deporting them all..... and then having to pay the increased cost of everything you buy because the manufacturers cant find Americans to do the jobs needed at a rate they can pay without increesing the product cost... I dont think america can afford that....

Kez

Why waste the opportunity to drop prices even further? We can round them all up and sell all the illegal aliens as slaves to corporate America. Think of all the savings all around, the added cash in the US Treasury, and the deterent effect to further illegal immigration.

This country keeps lowering its standards farther and farther down the sewer by embracing illegal immigration. Why not go all the way to the bottom of the cess pool and revive slavery?

It makes great economic sense and Wall Street will love it! Slavery is the cheapest of the cheap labor. Why not go all the way?

[Fandango 1,439]

So you wont mind having your taxes raised to pay the cost of deporting them all..... and then having to pay the increased cost of everything you buy because the manufacturers cant find Americans to do the jobs needed at a rate they can pay without increesing the product cost... I dont think america can afford that....

Kez

Why waste the opportunity to drop prices even further? We can round them all up and sell all the illegal aliens as slaves to corporate America. Think of all the savings all around, the added cash in the US Treasury, and the deterent effect to further illegal immigration.

This country keeps lowering its standards farther and farther down the sewer by embracing illegal immigration. Why not go all the way to the bottom of the cess pool and revive slavery?

It makes great economic sense and Wall Street will love it! Slavery is the cheapest of the cheap labor. Why not go all the way?

Hell, lets go one further...let's enslave them so we don't have to pay them anything.

GMTA

[Kez/JWolf 6]

We are not talking about the kids getting free education they will still have to pay the same as any other local kid....

Most americans dont want lower paid jobs...

Your agument about low paid american families falls short if all the prices have to raise to pay to deport illegal and they will be worse off as their taxes will increase... so they will be in even worse state than they are in now...

As for the legal immigrants... yes many will turn there noses up at just any job to get a foot in the door... they want the best paid job and find it hard when they meet the attitude of well you are just here or we dont recognise your qualifications...

Kez

[Fandango 1,439]

We are not talking about the kids getting free education they will still have to pay the same as any other local kid....

Most americans dont want lower paid jobs...

Have you spoken to most Americans? Or have you studied the fact that perhaps the job wouldn't be as low paying if the employer wasn't exploiting cheap illegal labor? Supply and demand, Kez.

As far as the kids...they are not any other local kid. If we're going to be tugging at heartstrings to get some kids a severe reduction in tuition, I say we give that to those whose families are not living here illegally. It may not be free, but there is a cost adjustment that SOMEONE is absorbing..

Your agument about low paid american families falls short if all the prices have to raise to pay to deport illegal and they will be worse off as their taxes will increase... so they will be in even worse state than they are in now...

So then I refer you back to the old 'lets enslave illegals so their labor is free therefore it will benefit the country' excuse

As for the legal immigrants... yes many will turn there noses up at just any job to get a foot in the door... they want the best paid job and find it hard when they meet the attitude of well you are just here or we dont recognise your qualifications...

Kez

Again, have you spoken to most legal immigrants? I've read that moving to America forum and I've read the frustration that people feel at not being able to acquire any work. And many of them have taken jobs beneath them just to get in the door. I say this cos I've read it...I didn't just pull a generalization out of my azz.

[Kez/JWolf 6]

If you want to find any work you will....

It disgusts me to think that you would even sugest that slavery is an option for anyone... we are talking about humans here not dogs....

You can have your opinions on this the same as I can... I belive we should try to help these kids to be better than their parents.... its not as if they are the one who got up one day and said "lets go steal from the Americans" and either crossed the border or stayed long after they should have gone home....

If we all had to pay the price of our parents actions then the world would be in a even bigger mess that it is....

I will leave you now to discussing the vertues of slavery... as wish no part in it.

Kez

[Fandango 1,439]

It disgusts me to think that you would even sugest that slavery is an option for anyone... we are talking about humans here not dogs....

It's the same hyperbole-to0prove-a-point which you used to suggest that we murder all of them

[Kez/JWolf 6]

God, this is so pathetic. When are we going to stand up to the fence jumpers?

given the quantity of apologists, enablers, and outright illegal cheerleaders i see on vj, not likely to happen.

Not to mention the apologists, enablers, and outright illegal cheerleaders in the Republican party. And the Democrat party. They just want the Hispanic vote. They think if they come out against illegals, they won't get it. Y'know what...they're probably right.

I cringe to state this, but it may take a Nellie-style incident (the nominative one occured in Feb. 1983, in the northeastern Indian state of Assam; local tribesmen specifically targetted and murdered a large number of illegal immigrants from Bangladesh, while sparing migrants from other parts of India) before any decision is made in DC to stand up.

I was quoting this post.... I do not condone murder...

[Niels Bohr 72]

It's not slavery. It's the consequence of their actions for being illegals. No good deeds go unpunished. I would love to hire illegals if I own my own company.

It's their own fault. However, if they're smart and able to become something, then they have my full support and should receive the same rights as citizens.

Edited April 24, 2007 by consolemaster