November 2017 I-751 Filers

[dilip 187]

7 hours ago, Have2win said:

I would love to take a poll on who has had children since their marriage together compared to who hasnt and if the ones who have not were issued RFE’s?????? 

Having child together is not a strong prove for marriage and it is consider a low category of support.  Financial intermingling is the strongest, like have you purchase house together,  Join mortgage, join loan,  have you beneficiary to each other 40IK, have you have join bank account, have you purchase new car together, have you beneficiary to each other life insurance etc and other normal things couple do.  Having this kind of poll is not a good idea and it will serve any purpose in this message board in my opinion.  I have not heard , any RFE asked for why you have not have child together?

Edited February 26, 2019 by dilip

[Cross32 21]

2 minutes ago, dilip said:

Having child together is not a strong prove for marriage and it is consider a low category of support.  Financial intermingling is the the strongest, like have you purchase house together,  Join mortgage, join loan,  have you beneficiary to each other 40IK, have you have join bank account, have you purchase new car together, have you beneficiary to each other life insurance etc. 

My friend got approved without  all that, no ref from VSC. 

they had no joint account, whatsoever he just added her as the beneficiary to his account, they don’t have lease together. No bills together. No trips. 

 

But they provided mails passing through same address. A pictures. 

 

Nobody knows what they want. 

 

Hoping for the best. 🎁

 

 

[dilip 187]

21 minutes ago, Cross32 said:

My friend got approved without  all that, no ref from VSC. 

they had no joint account, whatsoever he just added her as the beneficiary to his account, they don’t have lease together. No bills together. No trips. 

 

But they provided mails passing through same address. A pictures. 

 

Nobody knows what they want. 

 

Hoping for the best. 🎁

 

 

May be less paper work is better .   IO officers will pull the light file in his work load and will approve it.  Who knows?

[xillini 71]

4 hours ago, GBOS said:

Not true. Reviewing documents has a very strict guideline and files are being audited by the supervisor.  I can speak for three cases, all of whom are my friends.  They do not have kids and they did not get RFE prior to an approval.

With due respect i diasgree. Its like you are a student who is supposed to study for class before going to class and do homework by yourself. Everyone knows that but the reality is many don't do that type of good student when HW study guide is available and you are reminded you can always look up youtube.

 

Sure im confident USCIS has well established guideline and occasionally they follow but most time the RFE is random depending on ISO and his/her background. 

 

When it comes to supervisor's approval yes supervisor him or herself is rated by how many applications are approved in his/her team so why bother more if his or her subordibate recommends approval unless it's very obvious mistake? 

 

When it comes to kid in marriage general guideline is if couples don't have kids they would want to know why (i.e. if couples are still young in middle 20s or if couples are too old to have kids or couples have issue with fertility). If not they would expect some reasonable accounts in cover letter. here it's reasonable but arguably whether or not having a kid is reasonable questionable, so basically USCIS seeks an answer that's very subject to applicants life philosophy. 

 

There are many cases where an applicant was asked about kids during AOS when the applicant apply for I 485 based on employment and USCIS ISO keeps asking what about kids? to applicants and its partner even when their in person interview is scheduled based on employment not family base and ISO is more focusing on couple's relationship rather than employer-employee relation that triggered sponsorships to green card. 

[CharlieTanger 76]

What time are you guys getting the text or e-mail that says you're approved?  Is it at night or morning or random times?  

[Have2win 12]

1 hour ago, dilip said:

Having child together is not a strong prove for marriage and it is consider a low category of support.  Financial intermingling is the strongest, like have you purchase house together,  Join mortgage, join loan,  have you beneficiary to each other 40IK, have you have join bank account, have you purchase new car together, have you beneficiary to each other life insurance etc and other normal things couple do.  Having this kind of poll is not a good idea and it will serve any purpose in this message board in my opinion.  I have not heard , any RFE asked for why you have not have child together?

Thats  not what i meant that a RFE was issued &  asking for why they didnt have kids together.   What i meant is i am sure they scrutinize relationships a little more harder for couples who dont have children together.  Because marriages are NOT soley based on finances.   I know a lot of couple who keep their finances completely seperate 

[GBOS 198]

13 minutes ago, xillini said:

With due respect i diasgree. Its like you are a student who is supposed to study for class before going to class and do homework by yourself. Everyone knows that but the reality is many don't do that type of good student when HW study guide is available and you are reminded you can always look up youtube.

 

Sure im confident USCIS has well established guideline and occasionally they follow but most time the RFE is random depending on ISO and his/her background. 

 

When it comes to supervisor's approval yes supervisor him or herself is rated by how many applications are approved in his/her team so why bother more if his or her subordibate recommends approval unless it's very obvious mistake? 

 

When it comes to kid in marriage general guideline is if couples don't have kids they would want to know why (i.e. if couples are still young in middle 20s or if couples are too old to have kids or couples have issue with fertility). If not they would expect some reasonable accounts in cover letter. here it's reasonable but arguably whether or not having a kid is reasonable questionable, so basically USCIS seeks an answer that's very subject to applicants life philosophy. 

 

There are many cases where an applicant was asked about kids during AOS when the applicant apply for I 485 based on employment and USCIS ISO keeps asking what about kids? to applicants and its partner even when their in person interview is scheduled based on employment not family base and ISO is more focusing on couple's relationship rather than employer-employee relation that triggered sponsorships to green card. 

@xillini - I am not sure if you are disagreeing with me or someone else.  It sounds like we are talking about the same thing — Kids are not mandatory in any relationship, and certainly kids are not a requirement to get I-751 approved.

 

USCIS has guideline to look for a “totality” of evidence, and so if the evidence is strong, with or without kids, the file will be approved.

[Have2win 12]

5 hours ago, TabeaK said:

Huh? I doubt there is a single RFE for not having kids - having kids is not mandatory...

Nor are kids a proof of a bonafide marriage.

USCIS is looking for a comprehensive picture of co-mingling finances & your life in general. Kids can be a part of it but of course don't have to be - by themselves they mean nothing in the context of the USCIS ROC process.

Thats not  what i meant.  That an RFE was issued specifically on thw bases of not having a child 

14 minutes ago, CharlieTanger said:

What time are you guys getting the text or e-mail that says you're approved?  Is it at night or morning or random times?  

Random

[TabeaK 517]

40 minutes ago, GBOS said:

@xillini - I am not sure if you are disagreeing with me or someone else.  It sounds like we are talking about the same thing — Kids are not mandatory in any relationship, and certainly kids are not a requirement to get I-751 approved.

 

USCIS has guideline to look for a “totality” of evidence, and so if the evidence is strong, with or without kids, the file will be approved.

Agreed - I highly, highly doubt USCIS adjudicators even consider having kids as a factor - let alone scrutinize child-free couple more. Unless maybe they have very conservative personal feelings and consider relationships without procreation not valid - so the religious borderline extremist kind of leanings  - which would obviously be outside of USCIS policy manuals anyways. We thankfully live in more enlightened times where same sex marriages get approvals and couples are able to live their lives as they see fit - with or without having children.

[hixsy 26]

I find it incredibly hard to believe that USCIS would specifically question why someone didn't have children - especially in an RFE.  My guess is that the wording of the RFE has been misinterpreted and misunderstood, I have seen plenty of RFEs posted on here and not one has been issued on the basis of not having children - however some RFEs have listed "Proof of any children born, birth certificates etc." as an example of further evidence, that was just one line though on what otherwise was a long list of evidence that could be provided.  As what has been said before, it all comes down to the totality of evidence.

 

My husband and I are child free and not once have we been quizzed about not having children at any stage of the immigration process.  We never put any explanations in our covering letter about why we are child free, nor did we receive any RFE from USCIS.  

[Have2win 12]

6 minutes ago, hixsy said:

I find it incredibly hard to believe that USCIS would specifically question why someone didn't have children - especially in an RFE.  My guess is that the wording of the RFE has been misinterpreted and misunderstood, I have seen plenty of RFEs posted on here and not one has been issued on the basis of not having children - however some RFEs have listed "Proof of any children born, birth certificates etc." as an example of further evidence, that was just one line though on what otherwise was a long list of evidence that could be provided.  As what has been said before, it all comes down to the totality of evidence.

 

My husband and I are child free and not once have we been quizzed about not having children at any stage of the immigration process.  We never put any explanations in our covering letter about why we are child free, nor did we receive any RFE from USCIS.  

 

[Have2win 12]

Ok, just to clear up my original post.....I NEVER SAID that USCIS issues RFE for not having children together. NEVER!    

What i did say is i would just like to know statically to those who were issued and RFE, do you have a child together since filing for the I-751?    Thats all I asked. 

Thanks...   

[Have2win 12]

39 minutes ago, Have2win said:

 

@hixsyWell my husband was asked during his interview in Mexico for his original CR1 visa why we did not have children together......

Edited February 26, 2019 by Have2win

[dilip 187]

2 minutes ago, Have2win said:

Ok, just to clear up my original post.....I NEVER SAID that USCIS issues RFE for not having children together. NEVER!    

What i did say is i would just like to know statically to those who were issued and RFE, do you have a child together since filing for the I-751?    Thats all I asked. 

Thanks...   

Have2win- it is an a good idea and better to drop it.  It is creating unnecessary tension to ROC community which is already stressed out due to long wait.

[dilip 187]

3 minutes ago, Have2win said:

@hixsyWell my husband was asked during his interview in Mexico for his original CR1 visa why we did not have children together......

and whatever your husband answer was, it did not prevent to get his visa.  IO might ask any questions since they have upper hand , but important thing is to answer question honestly and they will not violate the civic limit I hope