Tomi Lahren’s attempt at a sexy and patriotic Halloween costume backfired, big time

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2 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

I am a little confused.  I thought the MDL has been telling us for years that even if one person is offended it matters?  Does that only apply to those positions held dear by the MDL?

I'm applying HIS rules, not my own.

 

His has some strange idea that if you aren't intending to be offensive, you somehow aren't.

 

That is not how being offensive works. You can indeed accidentally be offensive. You can be ignorant and offensive as well.

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5 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

Isn't that what is asked every time a visitor is attempting to enter the country?  Of course intent matters.

Visiting our country is not the same thing as being offensive to our nation's symbols.

 

Intent matters when you are passing through immigration obviously.

 

Intent doesn't matter if you, in your ignorance, end up being racist, offensive, sexist etc... Maybe you will "get off" lightly, but you were still offensive.

 

I'm also still waiting to see evidence that the football players were INTENDING to offend our troops. Please provide that if you claim that's what they are doing.

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43 minutes ago, bcking said:

Please show us a quote or interview where a football player says their intention was to disrespect soldiers.

I believe Kapernick's intent was pretty clear although he was disrespecting police officers.  The bottom line with the whole player protest thing is that it is clear the NFL and the players are losing the PR battle and there is a good chance Goodell will be out of a game.  I couldn't care less if these players kneel, raise a fist, drop their pants, or do anything else during the NA, it is their right and the NFL CBA rules do not mandate otherwise, and I don't really care what Tomi L. wears.  I don't like pro football, and I hardly watch it so hopefully they are not getting any of my money.  If the league is getting taxpayer money then that should be brought to an end.

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3 minutes ago, bcking said:

Visiting our country is not the same thing as being offensive to our nation's symbols.

 

Intent matters when you are passing through immigration obviously.

 

Intent doesn't matter if you, in your ignorance, end up being racist, offensive, sexist etc... Maybe you will "get off" lightly, but you were still offensive.

 

I'm also still waiting to see evidence that the football players were INTENDING to offend our troops. Please provide that if you claim that's what they are doing.

Intention matters to the person viewing the actions, and just as the person has a right to their actions, it is the right of the viewer to form their own conclusions.

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7 minutes ago, bcking said:

I'm applying HIS rules, not my own.

 

His has some strange idea that if you aren't intending to be offensive, you somehow aren't.

 

That is not how being offensive works. You can indeed accidentally be offensive. You can be ignorant and offensive as well.

No one can accidentally be offensive any more in this political correct society the MDL has created.  One little slip of the tongue or improper gesture and a person can be branded for life.

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1 minute ago, Bill & Katya said:

Intention matters to the person viewing the actions, and just as the person has a right to their actions, it is the right of the viewer to form their own conclusions.

Yes and it is hypocritical to care about people kneeling during the anthem, but not care about people cutting up our flag and making it into clothing.

 

3 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

I believe Kapernick's intent was pretty clear although he was disrespecting police officers.  The bottom line with the whole player protest thing is that it is clear the NFL and the players are losing the PR battle and there is a good chance Goodell will be out of a game.  I couldn't care less if these players kneel, raise a fist, drop their pants, or do anything else during the NA, it is their right and the NFL CBA rules do not mandate otherwise, and I don't really care what Tomi L. wears.  I don't like pro football, and I hardly watch it so hopefully they are not getting any of my money.  If the league is getting taxpayer money then that should be brought to an end.

We are generally on the same page here.

 

I doubt Kaepernick has much respect for police officers, but in his view they never really had respect for people of his skin color (no comment on whether that is right or not).

 

There is NO indication that he has no respect for our soldiers. That was never his intention and I don't believe he has ever indicated that.

 

Taxplayer money should never go to sports in general. There are far more important things to spend money on. My opinion on that is regardless of how players do or don't show loyalty to the nation and/or our symbols.

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41 minutes ago, bcking said:

Yes and it is hypocritical to care about people kneeling during the anthem, but not care about people cutting up our flag and making it into clothing.

 

We are generally on the same page here.

 

I doubt Kaepernick has much respect for police officers, but in his view they never really had respect for people of his skin color (no comment on whether that is right or not).

 

There is NO indication that he has no respect for our soldiers. That was never his intention and I don't believe he has ever indicated that.

 

Taxplayer money should never go to sports in general. There are far more important things to spend money on. My opinion on that is regardless of how players do or don't show loyalty to the nation and/or our symbols.

The argument that this violates the flag code is incorrect. unless you can prove that this was an actual flag fashioned into a cape.  The flag code is related to just the flag itself, not depictions of the flag, or there would be a lot of people and companies in trouble with all the garments out there that depict the flag.

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25 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

The argument that this violates the flag code is incorrect. unless you can prove that this was an actual flag fashioned into a cape.  The flag code is related to just the flag itself, not depictions of the flag, or there would be a lot of people and companies in trouble with all the garments out there that depict the flag.

I never said it violated the flag code.

 

I said it is disrespectful to the soldiers that fight for our nation and our symbols. It is disrespectful to the soldiers who fall in battle and are draped in the flag on their way home.

 

I'm using the same flowery language others have used to suggest that the football players disrespect our soldiers, and just applying it universally.

 

Why should soldiers care about people kneeling for the anthem, but not care about people wearing flag bikinis? If one is disrespectful, I can't see how the other isn't.

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1 minute ago, bcking said:

I never said it violated the flag code.

 

I said it is disrespectful to the soldiers that fight for our nation and our symbols. It is disrespectful to the soldiers who fall in battle and are draped in the flag on their way home.

 

I'm using the same flowery language others have used to suggest that the football players disrespect our soldiers, and just applying it universally.

 

Why should soldiers care about people kneeling for the anthem, but not care about people wearing flag bikinis? If one is disrespectful, I can't see how the other isn't.

 

1 hour ago, bcking said:

Yes and it is hypocritical to care about people kneeling during the anthem, but not care about people cutting up our flag and making it into clothing.

 

The implication from your response is that it did, and I agree if someone cuts up the flag to make clothing it violates the flag code, but if it was not an actual flag then it is a different story and your comment about those offended by one thing and not the other being hypocrites makes little sense.  If you can prove it was an actual flag, then you are correct.

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2 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

 

The implication from your response is that it did, and I agree if someone cuts up the flag to make clothing it violates the flag code, but if it was not an actual flag then it is a different story and your comment about those offended by one thing and not the other being hypocrites makes little sense.  If you can prove it was an actual flag, then you are correct.

There is no "stand for the anthem" code that people are violating either.

 

Both are actions that can be deemd as disrespectful to our soldiers and what they fight for. One is a song, one is our nation's most prominent symbol. Doesn't matter that it isn't a real flag, it's still the symbol of our nation. It's disrespectful to out that symbol on bikinis, hats, tank tops etc... It's not that it violates any code (just like kneeling doesn't), it's that it takes a national symbol and turns it into a commercial product.

 

I am still struggling to see how someone who is so patriotic and cares so deep for the national anthem doesn't care about our nation's great symbol. That is hypocritical to me.

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Sorry for the typos in the above. I'm not at my desk so typing on my phone. I'm not one of the super texting younger generation.

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1 hour ago, Bill & Katya said:

The argument that this violates the flag code is incorrect. unless you can prove that this was an actual flag fashioned into a cape.  The flag code is related to just the flag itself, not depictions of the flag, or there would be a lot of people and companies in trouble with all the garments out there that depict the flag.

this is technically correct, we have red white and blue table runners, cocktail napkins and bunting that have the stars and stripes, they are not desecrated flags.   The question was asked, and not answered, what is Tomi's Intent in posting a picture with her "draped in the flag".  Knowing how she rolls it definitely was there to provoke.

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11 minutes ago, Il Mango Dulce said:

this is technically correct, we have red white and blue table runners, cocktail napkins and bunting that have the stars and stripes, they are not desecrated flags.   The question was asked, and not answered, what is Tomi's Intent in posting a picture with her "draped in the flag".  Knowing how she rolls it definitely was there to provoke.

Intent only matters sometimes.

 

If you ask Tomi what her intent was and she says she didn't intend to disrespect the American Flag, that is okay. If you ask the football players what their intent was, and they say they didn't intend to be disrespectful to American Soldiers...well they are wrong and we all know how truly evil they are and what their true intentions are so they are clearly being disrespectful. We can't trust their opinion anyway. They aren't white, blonde and conservative. 

 

It's a very logical way of thinking... (sarcasm)

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3 minutes ago, bcking said:

Intent only matters sometimes.

 

If you ask Tomi what her intent was and she says she didn't intend to disrespect the American Flag, that is okay. If you ask the football players what their intent was, and they say they didn't intend to be disrespectful to American Soldiers...well they are wrong and we all know how truly evil they are and what their true intentions are so they are clearly being disrespectful. We can't trust their opinion anyway. They aren't white, blonde and conservative. 

 

It's a very logical way of thinking... (sarcasm)

yup

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23 hours ago, bcking said:

You aren't innocent just because you weren't "intending" to offend the nation, the flag, someone etc... That can apply to any situation. You can accidentally offend. Maybe we can let you off lightly if it was unintentional, but that doesn't mean you weren't offensive. 

 

If intent really does matter - It is not the football player's intention to discredit or dishonor our military, which has been one of the common complaints. Their intent is to peacefully protest certain prevailing viewpoints and actions in our country. 

 

So if you really care about intent, they are intending to be disrespectful. So I guess we are good then?

Are you one of those who believe that Hillary didn’t “intend” to illegally send those emails from her personal devices and server, so she’s innocent?