Re-entry after SEVIS termination

[chayoung 0]

Yes! I was about to flip over the rack initially and my friend tried to avoid it. Defending me, she flipped over it and it fell. I had no intention of helping her anyway while I entered to see her. I understand that I'm not allowed to work. I see no point in trying to make you understand. I would finally want to say something. If you see your teacher dropping her pen, would you not offer to pick it up for him? If you are walking a road and see someone ahead of you drop their wallet, would you not pick it and return to them? If you see a kid falling down, would not lift him/her up but think it's her parent's duty to do? If you find someone faint on a street, would you not help them with humanity but think it is the duty of a nurse? That was exactly what I felt while helping her. I'm aware of not doing things her workers are supposed to do at her store. And that's exactly why I didn't make any sale for her or assisted her customers. All I've done was just picking up a dropped item. It's okay if its a mistake. I never attempted to kill someone at last nor I was a threat to someone's life. Just remember to judge someone from the place where they stand and not to laugh at someone's misfortune thinking you are secure for you never know what is gonna come your way. 

[BuiQuang 95]

8 minutes ago, chayoung said:

Yes! I was about to flip over the rack initially and my friend tried to avoid it. Defending me, she flipped over it and it fell. I had no intention of helping her anyway while I entered to see her. I understand that I'm not allowed to work. I see no point in trying to make you understand. I would finally want to say something. If you see your teacher dropping her pen, would you not offer to pick it up for him? If you are walking a road and see someone ahead of you drop their wallet, would you not pick it and return to them? If you see a kid falling down, would not lift him/her up but think it's her parent's duty to do? If you find someone faint on a street, would you not help them with humanity but think it is the duty of a nurse? That was exactly what I felt while helping her. I'm aware of not doing things her workers are supposed to do at her store. And that's exactly why I didn't make any sale for her or assisted her customers. All I've done was just picking up a dropped item. It's okay if its a mistake. I never attempted to kill someone at last nor I was a threat to someone's life. Just remember to judge someone from the place where they stand and not to laugh at someone's misfortune thinking you are secure for you never know what is gonna come your way. 

i not judge u.  i no laugh at u.  i try to help u.  sorry u do not like my answer to help u cuz it not answer u want.  okay.  try to get u to understand helping in her store is illegal work but u no see it that way but US government does.  u think okay cuz it mistake but US government say no.  u need to understand why US government feel that way but u only see ur side of coin.  

 

good luck man.  

[chayoung 0]

I understand your point dude but the way you conveyed wasn't appreciable. I understand that to be unlawful in the perception of US government as I'm currently facing the consequences of it. Thanks for your effort! If my only way is to sit through the visa interview, I'm ready to go for it a hundred times but I know that it is a complicated job and my previous record would become a barrier. Thanks for your wishes!!

[dnp2014 44]

40 minutes ago, BuiQuang said:

did u flip over rack of clothes and pick it up?  no.  that's why it illegal work.  u r not allow to help her at the store under any condition.

 

u r not allowed to do things that a worker do in her store.  that why it illegal work.  only workers go to a store and arrange clothes.

So you meant not a free bird if you are in a student visa  

[-Trinity- 513]

I haven't read all the answers above, so apologies if this is already mentioned: has your DSO tried reinstament?

 

I worked for a brief time with international students and sometimes when they were out of status the DSO could successfully reinstate them.

 

[Coco8 1,042]

3 hours ago, chayoung said:

I was helping my friend pick up and arrange the clothes as she dropped a huge rack of clothes flipping over it to help me avoid an injury at her store. That took like 10-12 minutes for both of us to do. It was the same time someone from my school saw it and reported. Because they've seen me setting up the hangers and the clothes back in place, they mistook me to be working. I was working on campus for 20 hours, enrolled full time (12 credits), had a full-fee waiver. Inspite of the courses being really tough (on an average, people redo the same course thrice to pass it), I managed to be the class topper(in the very first attempt) securing a GPA of 4.0 for the term. I had no reason to work off campus. But, there was no one ready to believe my words. I can also show my bank statements which give a detail report of my payroll from school and no other source of income. It's after this incident in my life that I started believing in "If you can only see one side of a coin, that doesn't mean it has no other side". I'm trying to explain this to everyone and I had never known till date that proving truth is so hard. That's my misfortune and I'm being punished for something I've never done. My bad! 

 

I know securing a new visa while termination for unlawful work is almost impossible, I'm being keen and asking the same question multiple times seeking for at least one positive response that would boost my confidence in helping me live and achieve my dreams.

 

Your story does not sound plausible to me. For it to be true, it means that someone from the international student office or related official saw you and recognized you. In any typical college or university there are thousands of international students. It is impossible for them to recognize someone from far away and then terminate their sevis without making any type of investigation. In addition, to Americans, foreigners look very similar to each other and I am sure they would have a hard time discerning between a few students.

 

[geowrian 22,337]

3 hours ago, chayoung said:

I was helping my friend pick up and arrange the clothes as she dropped a huge rack of clothes flipping over it to help me avoid an injury at her store. That took like 10-12 minutes for both of us to do. It was the same time someone from my school saw it and reported. Because they've seen me setting up the hangers and the clothes back in place, they mistook me to be working. I was working on campus for 20 hours, enrolled full time (12 credits), had a full-fee waiver. Inspite of the courses being really tough (on an average, people redo the same course thrice to pass it), I managed to be the class topper(in the very first attempt) securing a GPA of 4.0 for the term. I had no reason to work off campus. But, there was no one ready to believe my words. I can also show my bank statements which give a detail report of my payroll from school and no other source of income. It's after this incident in my life that I started believing in "If you can only see one side of a coin, that doesn't mean it has no other side". I'm trying to explain this to everyone and I had never known till date that proving truth is so hard. That's my misfortune and I'm being punished for something I've never done. My bad! 

 

I know securing a new visa while termination for unlawful work is almost impossible, I'm being keen and asking the same question multiple times seeking for at least one positive response that would boost my confidence in helping me live and achieve my dreams.

That is quite some story. That would be quite some individual to report somebody for just putting up hangers and clothing one time, and that escalating to termination of status. I won't judge, but I think convincing somebody of this (and that it wasn't work) is a very uphill battle...

 

Either way, there's 2 issues you're facing right now:

1) No valid travel document to enter the US. You need a valid visa and I-20 to enter, which you do not have. Without this, the past suspected work is a moot point.

2) Unauthorized work. While this is something you can try to argue with a CO for a new visa (and is very hard to be successful), CBP almost certainly isn't even going to consider whatever you want to show them. Even if they did, bank statements only show them what you want...it doesn't cover anything under the table or potentially another account that could have been used to receive funds. It only shows what you want to show them, and therefore won't carry weight. Somebody who did work illegally could do the same thing.

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[chayoung 0]

9 hours ago, Beachlover said:

I haven't read all the answers above, so apologies if this is already mentioned: has your DSO tried reinstament?

 

I worked for a brief time with international students and sometimes when they were out of status the DSO could successfully reinstate them.

 

My DSO told me that my only option is to leave and re-enter. She told me reinstatement will not be successful for termination due to unauthorized work. I just followed her advise.

[chayoung 0]

6 hours ago, Coco8 said:

 

Your story does not sound plausible to me. For it to be true, it means that someone from the international student office or related official saw you and recognized you. In any typical college or university there are thousands of international students. It is impossible for them to recognize someone from far away and then terminate their sevis without making any type of investigation. In addition, to Americans, foreigners look very similar to each other and I am sure they would have a hard time discerning between a few students.

 

That alright! I'm from a School which has only 6 students from my country. I've been in my school for 2 years and for many international events happening around my school, I was the very first student to stand up for representing my country. I received many appreciations from the International student office for being active in all events. So, I'm very familiar to every one in the office for I never had any reason to sit back hiding my face as I never made any mistake. It's the associate DSO who found me in the store. They didn't need any further investigation as they saw me with their own eyes.

[Nitas_man 3,100]

12 hours ago, chayoung said:

I went to her store in order to return her iPad. offering help to a friend to pick up some dropped thing is nothing at all. It's also not that she cannot hire a worker. I helped her because I was the reason for it. It's the most simple things in life that affect you in a great deal. If someone flips over your leg and fall down, would you not help them get up and stand right? It didn't matter to me if it was a thing then. I don't understand the point in calling it "illegal work". 

No combination of words or sentences or phrases or paragraphs will change the answer here.  Your visa is void.

[Nitas_man 3,100]

9 hours ago, Coco8 said:

 

 In addition, to Americans, foreigners look very similar to each other and I am sure they would have a hard time discerning between a few students.

 

 <-------------Pick the one who did it out of the lineup

[Nitas_man 3,100]

11 hours ago, chayoung said:

you are walking a road and see someone ahead of you drop their wallet, would you not pick it

Moral turpitude right there

 

Seriously - you got correct answers here and there is no going back.

[cd37 229]

23 hours ago, BuiQuang said:

no.  visa void.  

If sevis get terminated, you lose your status but visa doesnt get void. if the person can get new sevis, he can reenter us with that but that is highly unlikely bcoz cbp officer will most probably deny entry due to illegal work

[Nitas_man 3,100]

3 hours ago, cd37 said:

If sevis get terminated, you lose your status but visa doesnt get void. if the person can get new sevis, he can reenter us with that but that is highly unlikely bcoz cbp officer will most probably deny entry due to illegal work

Semantics.  OP asked if he could enter on his old F-1 with terminated SEVIS.  No SEVIS, F1 means nothing. 

 

https://studyinthestates.dhs.gov/maintaining-status