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You're taking a strong & very vocal opinion which I have and turning it into a personal offense...when my response has nothing to do with you...you're all full of pizz and vinegar at me as if my opinion was formed solely or even partly to personally offend you.
...I wish I was machine-like, like you....

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...Like I said it would be easy if we were automatons and had the higher level of discipline that you possess...

...You can get as smarmy and as clever as you like...

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...What I do know is what I would say to your face if you were sat in front of me arguing the way you do with your "I know it all better than everyone else" attitude....

your consistent holier than thou attitude

I am neither machine-like, nor an automaton, am not attempting to sway your opinion, nor am I attempting to patronize/belittle/condescend/bully/etc...I've actually been quite sincere in my posts & have gone out of the way to put the disclaimers of 'this is just my opinion' as I explain the reasoning behind the opinion that I have. I've made no personally disparaging comments against you and instead of you affording me the same respect, you have to find a way to make things personal. Obviously we do not get along but I'm not going to sit here and call you names.

In regards to the NHS, you said 'I know what I feel. I know what I see and I know what is going on here...' yet you refuse to give me the same consideration. Pity.

I had no idea you worked nights. I was actually being sincere. Go figure!

If you can't stick to topic, then please put me on ignore. There's really no need to give me...someone you apparantly cannot stand...so much attention!

In all 3 of your examples I have not called you one single name. Your accusation of my "consistent name calling" is unfounded.

I have no doubt your posts are sincere in your mind. I have only stated my opinion and that is that I take offence at your posting style which, whether you like it or not, is insulting to me, hence my ruffled feathers.

Sticking with the NHS I afforded you the moment to say that you think the NHS is free and that is is a good thing in YOUR experience. As I bolded previously I was not only talking from ongoing personal experiences but from a general point of view of UK dwellers/voters/taxpayers. I'm not denying that for some the NHS is a godsend, but for the majority it is severely lacking.

As far as putting you on ignore. No chance. You put me on ignore if you have a problem with me. It's not personal. I'll take a contrary position with anyone who I disagree with. That just happens to be you in two topics so far. Hardly a campaign, so please don't make it sound like I'm targeting you in particular, and don't get a parting shot in when asking me to put you on ignore.

Considering the nature of our posts here in this thread, you'll forgive me if your sincerity about the lateness of the hour for me passed me by.

Finally, I would like to say that £200 for a medical is a rip off. NHS or private.

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You're taking a strong & very vocal opinion which I have and turning it into a personal offense...when my response has nothing to do with you...you're all full of pizz and vinegar at me as if my opinion was formed solely or even partly to personally offend you.
...I wish I was machine-like, like you....

_________

...Like I said it would be easy if we were automatons and had the higher level of discipline that you possess...

...You can get as smarmy and as clever as you like...

__________________

...What I do know is what I would say to your face if you were sat in front of me arguing the way you do with your "I know it all better than everyone else" attitude....

your consistent holier than thou attitude

I am neither machine-like, nor an automaton, am not attempting to sway your opinion, nor am I attempting to patronize/belittle/condescend/bully/etc...I've actually been quite sincere in my posts & have gone out of the way to put the disclaimers of 'this is just my opinion' as I explain the reasoning behind the opinion that I have. I've made no personally disparaging comments against you and instead of you affording me the same respect, you have to find a way to make things personal. Obviously we do not get along but I'm not going to sit here and call you names.

In regards to the NHS, you said 'I know what I feel. I know what I see and I know what is going on here...' yet you refuse to give me the same consideration. Pity.

I had no idea you worked nights. I was actually being sincere. Go figure!

If you can't stick to topic, then please put me on ignore. There's really no need to give me...someone you apparantly cannot stand...so much attention!

In all 3 of your examples I have not called you one single name. Your accusation of my "consistent name calling" is unfounded.

I have no doubt your posts are sincere in your mind. I have only stated my opinion and that is that I take offence at your posting style which, whether you like it or not, is insulting to me, hence my ruffled feathers.

Sticking with the NHS I afforded you the moment to say that you think the NHS is free and that is is a good thing in YOUR experience. As I bolded previously I was not only talking from ongoing personal experiences but from a general point of view of UK dwellers/voters/taxpayers. I'm not denying that for some the NHS is a godsend, but for the majority it is severely lacking.

As far as putting you on ignore. No chance. You put me on ignore if you have a problem with me. It's not personal. I'll take a contrary position with anyone who I disagree with. That just happens to be you in two topics so far. Hardly a campaign, so please don't make it sound like I'm targeting you in particular, and don't get a parting shot in when asking me to put you on ignore.

Considering the nature of our posts here in this thread, you'll forgive me if your sincerity about the lateness of the hour for me passed me by.

Finally, I would like to say that £200 for a medical is a rip off. NHS or private.

You missed the point completely! :lol:

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Mags, yes, as you stated you were lucky, but I'm not guessing when I state that the British public is dissatisfied with the NHS. Anyone who says that the general trend is favourable is either lying or biased.

Oh hell yes, this is my personal experience only (and I've been REALLY lucky). I know that there is HUGE amounts of dissatisfaction amongst the British public regarding the NHS.

Again, all I can say is that it depends on the area you live in. Postcode lottery and all that.

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This has gone completely OT but I really want to know the answer to this...

My NHS crown - 85 quid (from a central London dentist)

My private UK dentist crown - 270 quid without insurance. US Insurance pays half. (from same dentist above)

My US crown - $890 without insurance. Insurance pays half.

My NHS white filling - 12 quid

My private UK white filling - 80 quid without insurance. US Insurance pays half. (same dentist again)

My US white filling - $260 without insurance.

My NHS tooth extraction - 15 quid

My private UK dentist tooth extraction - 35 quid without insurance. US Insurance pays half.

My US tooth extraction - $120 without insurance. This is after shopping around and getting prices from $150 - $250.

I live in a small state where prices are considered low for such dental work in the US. As you can see above, they are way more expensive than the NHS and UK private dentists. I shopped around for my dentist over here and on to my 3rd one who will offer somewhat reasonable prices. I have what many would consider very good health insurance but can't get good price on dental insurance. Basically my insurance will pay for 2 cleanings a year plus half of all dental work up to $700 a year. One crown and a filling can use that money and then I'm stuck until the next year. When I travel back to the UK I try and make a point of getting dental work done privately because it's so much cheaper.

It looks like I have crappy teeth, but I honestly don't :blush: ....I got all this work done in preparation for braces.

Anyway, I am being sincere here. Gone, could you please share with me your prospective insurance company that will offer such a great price on your dental work compared to the NHS. I simply haven't found one but would love to -- especially one that can be cheaper than NHS. It could save me a lot of $$$ in the long run and I see a root canal in the horizon costing me another $700+ with insurance.

You can PM me if you don't want to post such information in public.

Thanks. :D

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Again, all I can say is that it depends on the area you live in. Postcode lottery and all that.

The problem is, I would say you have to play the same postcode lottery living in the US. If it was universal excellent care over here, I wouldn't have a problem, but quite frankly, all I have found (and many others have too) is the same hit and miss service. There are still waiting lists...you can't even see an emergency GP and have to go to A&E, and of course because they are human, doctors still make mistakes over here too. So where does the money go? Well, we don't need to answer that one do we...

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Hi VJ Members

I jut want to talk about the british society and i want to add that i have been in UK for almost 2 years and i worked at Mcdonald trust me u guys are very innocent and what ever the price is at stores u dont bargain just spend the money and thats it.But let me tell u i swear to GOD what ever the portray on their shops or stores its not like that.

Just wanna give an example that at MCDONALD resturant food policies u have to discard certain food at the end of the day like...........................Lettuce,Pickles,Cheese,Onion,MEAT,Chicken products,Streaky bacon(If u used them in the whole day shift and the bags are opend then u have to discard them)

but it do not happen they save every thing in the chiller or frezer.One thing mor let me tell u APPLE pieswhen ever u buy them check out te time on that its usually one an a half hour after cooking but they keep changing the times and smae is the case with salads the change times as well.......

i swear they are plying with u guys and i would suggest that that food is just ####### its btter t save money and buy grocerries from the stores and cook it at home......say helthy

may god bless u all and giv u the courage to ask them about all this.

GOOD LUCK to ur lives caz u guys are eating artificial food.

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This has gone completely OT but I really want to know the answer to this...

My NHS crown - 85 quid (from a central London dentist)

My private UK dentist crown - 270 quid without insurance. US Insurance pays half. (from same dentist above)

My US crown - $890 without insurance. Insurance pays half.

My NHS white filling - 12 quid

My private UK white filling - 80 quid without insurance. US Insurance pays half. (same dentist again)

My US white filling - $260 without insurance.

My NHS tooth extraction - 15 quid

My private UK dentist tooth extraction - 35 quid without insurance. US Insurance pays half.

My US tooth extraction - $120 without insurance. This is after shopping around and getting prices from $150 - $250.

I live in a small state where prices are considered low for such dental work in the US. As you can see above, they are way more expensive than the NHS and UK private dentists. I shopped around for my dentist over here and on to my 3rd one who will offer somewhat reasonable prices. I have what many would consider very good health insurance but can't get good price on dental insurance. Basically my insurance will pay for 2 cleanings a year plus half of all dental work up to $700 a year. One crown and a filling can use that money and then I'm stuck until the next year. When I travel back to the UK I try and make a point of getting dental work done privately because it's so much cheaper.

It looks like I have crappy teeth, but I honestly don't :blush: ....I got all this work done in preparation for braces.

Anyway, I am being sincere here. Gone, could you please share with me your prospective insurance company that will offer such a great price on your dental work compared to the NHS. I simply haven't found one but would love to -- especially one that can be cheaper than NHS. It could save me a lot of $$$ in the long run and I see a root canal in the horizon costing me another $700+ with insurance.

You can PM me if you don't want to post such information in public.

Thanks. :D

This is really interesting. My insurance comes from being added to Tracy's company health plan and she has a good benefit package. As such unless you work for a similar size company with a similar plan the premiums will not be as good. However I will PM you the details. It was important to her when selecting and starting that job. For a nominal increase in payments I am included. The dental care covers 3 cleanings a year, and as our dentist is an out of network one, the insurance only covers 80% of the cost. If we choose to use an in network dentist then 90% would be covered.

I have had a crown and 2 extractions on the NHS and am marvelling at the prices you got. £15 is just incredible. Both my extractions cost 3 figures, (yes, on the NHS). £12 for a white filling is approximately 10-20% of the cost I was offered, I had to opt for the silver fillings that still cost double the price you quoted for the white filling. Hell, just an X-ray costs £25. Each time I went to the dentist here I ended up paying over 3 figures for basic routine work. I was forced to use credit cards if anything else was needed.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that the US system is perfect and it seems that different plans and locations affect the quality of service and amounts covered. In my case I would not be able to get the standard of service and pricing to compare, even on BUPA.

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My NHS crown - 85 quid (from a central London dentist)

My private UK dentist crown - 270 quid without insurance. US Insurance pays half. (from same dentist above)

My US crown - $890 without insurance. Insurance pays half.

Bizarre. When I went shopping for a crown (which it turns out I didn't need) I could not find an NHS dentist in this city willing to do it. Private dentists quoted me £500, which is more than $890.

My NHS white filling - 12 quid

My private UK white filling - 80 quid without insurance. US Insurance pays half. (same dentist again)

My US white filling - $260 without insurance.

When I still had an NHS dentist (who booted all her NHS patients off her rolls) white fillings were not even available on the NHS. Silver fillings cost £12, though; I think that's what you're thinking of.

My NHS tooth extraction - 15 quid

My private UK dentist tooth extraction - 35 quid without insurance. US Insurance pays half.

My US tooth extraction - $120 without insurance. This is after shopping around and getting prices from $150 - $250.

ROFL...when a guy I worked with had a tooth pulled it cost him a hell of a lot more than £35.

Also, I think it's misleading how you're putting NHS service costs up there. Most of the Brits here would have a hard time finding an NHS dentist. There are none in this city accepting new patients. NONE. Zero. You'd have to go 50 miles in almost any direction to find one who is. Londoners (again) have a warped sense of what sort of services are actually available to the rest of us.

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My NHS crown - 85 quid (from a central London dentist)

My private UK dentist crown - 270 quid without insurance. US Insurance pays half. (from same dentist above)

My US crown - $890 without insurance. Insurance pays half.

Bizarre. When I went shopping for a crown (which it turns out I didn't need) I could not find an NHS dentist in this city willing to do it. Private dentists quoted me £500, which is more than $890.

My NHS white filling - 12 quid

My private UK white filling - 80 quid without insurance. US Insurance pays half. (same dentist again)

My US white filling - $260 without insurance.

When I still had an NHS dentist (who booted all her NHS patients off her rolls) white fillings were not even available on the NHS. Silver fillings cost £12, though; I think that's what you're thinking of.

My NHS tooth extraction - 15 quid

My private UK dentist tooth extraction - 35 quid without insurance. US Insurance pays half.

My US tooth extraction - $120 without insurance. This is after shopping around and getting prices from $150 - $250.

ROFL...when a guy I worked with had a tooth pulled it cost him a hell of a lot more than £35.

Also, I think it's misleading how you're putting NHS service costs up there. Most of the Brits here would have a hard time finding an NHS dentist. There are none in this city accepting new patients. NONE. Zero. You'd have to go 50 miles in almost any direction to find one who is. Londoners (again) have a warped sense of what sort of services are actually available to the rest of us.

These are honestly the correct prices and recent ones too. I don't have any silver fillings in my mouth, so it is definitely a white one! The quotes are for small fillings, by the way, not molars. Believe me, I have shopped around a LOT for dental prices both in the UK and US. You don't wanna know how much my braces are costing because they're not covered by insurance even though it is not for cosmetic use. But they are half the price of what they would cost in the UK because it is a US company. I agree I had a better choice of dentist because I lived in London though.

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This is really interesting. My insurance comes from being added to Tracy's company health plan and she has a good benefit package. As such unless you work for a similar size company with a similar plan the premiums will not be as good. However I will PM you the details. It was important to her when selecting and starting that job. For a nominal increase in payments I am included. The dental care covers 3 cleanings a year, and as our dentist is an out of network one, the insurance only covers 80% of the cost. If we choose to use an in network dentist then 90% would be covered.

I have had a crown and 2 extractions on the NHS and am marvelling at the prices you got. £15 is just incredible. Both my extractions cost 3 figures, (yes, on the NHS). £12 for a white filling is approximately 10-20% of the cost I was offered, I had to opt for the silver fillings that still cost double the price you quoted for the white filling. Hell, just an X-ray costs £25. Each time I went to the dentist here I ended up paying over 3 figures for basic routine work. I was forced to use credit cards if anything else was needed.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that the US system is perfect and it seems that different plans and locations affect the quality of service and amounts covered. In my case I would not be able to get the standard of service and pricing to compare, even on BUPA.

I'm on OH's health plan and not sure how large the company is where Tracy works, but his is about 8,000 on the last count so it's not that small, and not that big either. But it's in education, which is where they usually get stung both in health and pay. Just as well they get so many vacations.

My US dentist provides the x-rays to my private UK dentist so no new x-rays are needed. All I can say is your dentist is a rip off. :lol: My dental prices are pretty much in line with that chart, no? I don't understand why my white fillings are so cheap. I still find it amazing too.

Wow this is a whole 'nother thread needed about dentists. :P

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White fillings are classed as cosmetically needed on the front teeth, canines and pre-molars; hence you would get them at the discounted NHS price. Give someone an amalgam filling on the front teeth and it would look nasty.

Amalgam fillings are on the way out in general, most dentists tend to use something called a "glass" filling now. It looks the same as a white filling but isn't as expensive and looks nicer than the silver. Many people find they suffer from a Mercury allergy/reaction now, so glass fillings are also safer. They aren't as hardy though, so probably need replacing more often.

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I do feel ripped off about a lot of things BUT I am about to move to the US where health insurance for my family is going to cost us $11,000 a year. And I still have to pay co-pays and deductibles on top. The health care had better be REALLY amazing out there for that price.

Hey and on top of all that, they won't cover any of our pre-existing conditions for the first year. What a GREAT system!

PS neither me or any of my children pay any National Insurance in the UK... where did the idea that everyone pays it come from?

I'm surprised they cover your pre-existing at all, frankly. Normally they don't (Without a high fee).

Do you work in the UK? I had to have a NIN when I worked in the UK.

Well it turns out my husband broke his foot last night, he flies to the US next Friday to start his new job, so we are going to be paying for all his care out of pocket once he gets there. If only he was staying in the UK he could continue to get NHS care at no further cost, but hey... I'm sure all those cheap burgers and webcams waiting for him in the US will make up for it lol!

I don't work in the UK, but I do have a National Insurance Number - you get one when you turn 16.

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