Rigged: How Voter Suppression Threw Wisconsin to Trump

[bcking 3,157]

Just now, jayjayj said:

 

1) Medical opinion

2) Again - At least try to provide a source. It should be fairly obvious that we should go with a source over your random statement of "fact" any day

3) I just explained biology for you. There are three things: Genetic sex, Secondary sexual characteristics and gender - They can all allign or they can misallign. Unfortunately biology isn't always straightforward.

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Just now, Steeleballz said:

 

       Cool. So basically your point was pointless? 

Link to one post you have made about Trump that isn't anti-Trump.  

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2 minutes ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

so babies are parasites now. WOW

The relationship is parasitic...best way to explain it. They aren't parasites because of the ultimate outcome, but previability they have a parasitic attachment to the mother. 

 

1. Fetus needs the mother to survive

2. Fetus would die if separated from the mother

3. Mother gets essentially nothing from the relationship at the time, and would continue to survive without it

 

I'm not actually sure if to be a "parasite", the organism has to be of a different species from the host.

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[Steeleballz 7,550]

8 minutes ago, jayjayj said:

 

The left blames Trump for everything.  Do you take that personally?

 

     No. Did you intend it personally, or are you always that quick to edit?

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Just now, Steeleballz said:

 

     No. Did you intend it personally, or are you always that quick to edit?

Second thoughts, I figured I should give you the benefit of doubt, but then realized that was foolish.

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

2 minutes ago, bcking said:

The relationship is parasitic...best way to explain it. They aren't parasites because of the ultimate outcome, but previability they have a parasitic attachment to the mother.

 

1. Fetus needs the mother to survive

2. Fetus would die if separated from the mother

3. Mother gets essentially nothing from the relationship at the time, and would continue to survive without it

I get you, but I am still appalled someone who says they are a doctor would think of an unborn baby as a parasite. 

[jayjayj 571]

3 minutes ago, bcking said:

1) Medical opinion - Opinion

2) Again - At least try to provide a source. It should be fairly obvious that we should go with a source over your random statement of "fact" any day - Of course you think that everyone on the "right" is a Republican.  Read my post again.

3) I just explained biology for you. There are three things: Genetic sex, Secondary sexual characteristics and gender - They can all allign or they can misallign. Unfortunately biology isn't always straightforward.  - There are two genders.  You are either male or female.  You either identify as male or female.  Your choice, but still only two genders.  

 

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4 minutes ago, bcking said:

The relationship is parasitic...best way to explain it. They aren't parasites because of the ultimate outcome, but previability they have a parasitic attachment to the mother.

 

1. Fetus needs the mother to survive

2. Fetus would die if separated from the mother

3. Mother gets essentially nothing from the relationship at the time, and would continue to survive without it

This is a sick and horribly sad way to think about a living human being.  

 

[smilesammich 10,727]

6 minutes ago, jayjayj said:

This is a sick and horribly sad way to think about a living human being.  

 

it's not sick and horribly sad, merely scientific. nothing that bcking said was untrue. a fetus in the womb is not a living human being without its host. 

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Just now, smilesammich said:

it's not sick and horribly sad, merely scientific. nothing that bcking said was untrue. a fetus in the womb is not a living human being without its host. 

So as long as it has a host, it is a living human being.  We totally agree then. 

 

To me it seems sick and horribly sad to call a living human being a parasite.  

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21 minutes ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

I get you, but I am still appalled someone who says they are a doctor would think of an unborn baby as a parasite. 

I tried to be more clear - A fetus isn't a parasite. It maintains a parasitic relationship. 

 

It is different because of its potential. Doesn't mean it will reach it's potential and doesn't mean that it is living as an independent entity at the time. If something is "living" entirely off a host and requires that host for their "life", that host has the right to decide whether to end the relationship. It should be no one else's business.

 

21 minutes ago, jayjayj said:

 

It's hard to quote you when you just edit my quote in bold...

 

1) Yes it is medical opinion, which in this scenario should hold more weight than average joe. Given the prevailing medical opinion, women should have the right to decide for themselves up to the limits of viability. They should be supported in their effort to do so, in order to limit the times when they feel forced into late term abortions, or worse because they lacked access early on.

 

2) I'm still waiting for you to provide evidence for your "Fact" that greater than 50% of people on the right agree with gay marriage. I admit that looking at people who identify as Republican isn't perfect, so please provide a better source. You seem so confident, so you must have something?

 

3) There are two genders. And the person who decides what gender they are is the person. They have the right to that choice, and at least from my experience (opinion) people on the right tend to try to limit that right. Gender is a psychological designation. A individual can designate their gender. Gender is not the same as your sex genetically, or your sex based on your secondary sexual characteristics

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[The Nature Boy 7,659]

40 minutes ago, jayjayj said:

This is a sick and horribly sad way to think about a living human being.  

 

Agree 100% !I am not anti abortion at all, within limits, still appalled someone purportedly in the medical field could refer to it as a parasite . Also to say the mother gets nothing out of being pregnant must be totally unaware of all the joy that a pregnancy often brings to people I have seen a lot of things on CHEST, but that one truly shocked me.

 

I can hear it now. Ma'am your 6 month check up is great, your little parasite is normal and all looks good 

 

An

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

36 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

it's not sick and horribly sad, merely scientific. nothing that bcking said was untrue. a fetus in the womb is not a living human being without its host. 

At some point it does become viable, but in any regard, regardless of your pro life or pro choice status, referring to a pregnant mother as having a parasite in her, is something from a sick B grade horror film with a Dr. Mengele twist. 

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

34 minutes ago, bcking said:

I tried to be more clear - A fetus isn't a parasite. It maintains a parasitic relationship. 

 

It is different because of its potential. Doesn't mean it will reach it's potential and doesn't mean that it is living as an independent entity at the time. If something is "living" entirely off a host and requires that host for their "life", that host has the right to decide whether to end the relationship. It should be no one else's business.

 

It's hard to quote you when you just edit my quote in bold...

 

1) Yes it is medical opinion, which in this scenario should hold more weight than average joe. Given the prevailing medical opinion, women should have the right to decide for themselves up to the limits of viability. They should be supported in their effort to do so, in order to limit the times when they feel forced into late term abortions, or worse because they lacked access early on.

 

2) I'm still waiting for you to provide evidence for your "Fact" that greater than 50% of people on the right agree with gay marriage. I admit that looking at people who identify as Republican isn't perfect, so please provide a better source. You seem so confident, so you must have something?

 

3) There are two genders. And the person who decides what gender they are is the person. They have the right to that choice, and at least from my experience (opinion) people on the right tend to try to limit that right. Gender is a psychological designation. A individual can designate their gender. Gender is not the same as your sex genetically, or your sex based on your secondary sexual characteristics

Repubs and repub leaning people are evenly split on the subject. WRONG!

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7 minutes ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

At some point it does become viable, but in any regard, regardless of your pro life or pro choice status, referring to a pregnant mother as having a parasite in her, is something from a sick B grade horror film with a Dr. Mengele twist. 

The only person who has called the fetus a parasite here is you. I've made that clear several times now.

 

A parasitic relationship isn't about getting "joy". The mother receives no nutrients or physical benefit from the fetus. It isn't a "symbiotic" relationship in the sense where they each take from each other and need each other. One clearly needs the other. The reverse isn't true.

 

4 minutes ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

Repubs and repub leaning people are evenly split on the subject. WRONG!

Source?