Disappointing Oath Ceremony

[Going through 5,671]

So ok...this was my experience at my Oath Ceremony today in Brooklyn.

 

Went through security relatively quickly and easily considering I showed up a good 40 minutes early.   Now, I had gone ahead and called Camdan Plaza East where the ceremony was going to be held, so I already knew that no cameras or cell phones were permitted in the courthouse (whether participants or guests), and I already was aware that there would be a possibility that guests were not able to view the actual ceremony.

 

All Queens, NY filers must have their oath ceremony at the court house regardless of whether or not a name-change is requested.  Just how it's done for Queens filers.   The building itself is beautiful inside, with wide spiral staircases, and lots of marble and artwork on the walls.   Headed up to the 2nd floor, where my husband and child were directed to the 3rd floor cafeteria.  I asked if they would be able to view the ceremony at all, and was told they would be called down later on.

 

Fast forward to 8:30AM when we got started with everything.  Applicants were taking up only 3 rows of the court benches, so it wasn't a long process to get everyone situated with how to fill out the back of the Oath Letter.   A few moments later, a representative from the voter registration office gave a small speech on how to vote and pressed us to fill out the application form and immediately hand it back over to her, and then she left the room never to be seen again.   After that, no one spoke to us or gave out any information on how the day would go, or welcomed us, nothing like that and participants were pretty much left on our own to just sit there and wait for....whatever was going to happen next. 

 

We were called up again to hand over the green card and receive an envelope.  Inside the envelope was a hard folder to place our certificate in, a copy of the oath, the passport application, and information on voting/serving on a jury.  Wish I'd gotten a flag, but oh well.  No welcoming letter from the President, but truth be told I didn't really expect one.

 

After about an hour, another lady started talking to us about passport applications and telling us that we can apply for the passport anytime after the ceremony (but not with them in any way, must be done through the post office or passport agency).  One person asked a rather simple question about the form, and when the staff didn't understand him due to a language barrier, I re-stated the question more coherently (I was sitting infront of him). The man was then replied to in a long, drawn-out condescending way that he "shouldn't be asking them anything about passports---ask us about immigration only!  When you go to the post office, you ask them questions about the post office, right???  I can't tell you anything about passports or the post office because I don't know anything about that."  Kind of went on and on increasingly condescendingly....okaaaayyyy....well they DID present the passport application forms to us and asked if people had any questions, but whatever.  She then stated we should apply for our SS status to be changed no less than 10 days after the oath ceremony, and asked if we had any questions about that process.  No one said a peep, probably because they were afraid of being lectured for asking a question.

 

After another wait, the 3rd lady came into the room and started setting herself up at a desk.  I was sitting in the front and could hear the staff conversations taking place since the room was nearly silent, and they were only a few feet away seated at the table.  At that point, one of them said to her "did you bring the country list?"  to which she replied "nah I didn't bother with it".  From reading other oath ceremony threads, and watching videos, I knew then that there would be no announcement of the countries recognized at the ceremony, which was a downer to me because I was looking forward to that part....almost like feeling like our immigration success was a global community effort we all shared in, but wasn't going to happen at my ceremony today.   It was also sad that they just seemed to decide on-the-spot to not be bothered with it and brush it off for whatever personal reason the woman had (maybe laziness?).

 

Soon enough, boredom sets in, since we are not being engaged in any way, and a few of us (myself included) start chatting among ourselves, not loudly.  We have a few giggles discussing our immigration journeys, what country we are from, etc. and generally how we're happy to become citizens.  About 10 minutes into our conversation, one of the workers comes over to us and ----- to my disbelief ---- tells us "You are getting too excited about this now, alright?  You all calm down and be quiet."  We, as a small group, were stunned that we were actually told to stop socializing with each other and just continue to sit there staring ahead in silence.  Personally, I was flabbergasted that she implied we shouldn't even be HAPPY about reaching this day in our lives.

 

One of the workers stood up and threatened everyone that if they didn't hand in all previous USCIS-issued documents (EADs and expired GC's) to them now or failed to mail them in at a later date "We have everything on file so we already know.  We can find out...I'm just letting you know we will find out"  I felt this was completely unnecessary of them to say this out-of-the-blue, and in a passive-aggressive manner.

 

Afterwards, we were called up by line to view our naturalization certificates.  As we approached the desk in single file, the lady barked out "what's your number?!" without explaining exactly what number she was referring to (I learned quickly she meant the last 3 digits of the alien number) then whipped out the certificate and gave each person literally a two-second glance at it before barking at us "sign your name!"  To the woman's eye-rolling annoyance, I refused to give it barely a 2-second glance, knowing this would be the only time I could get the certificate corrected for free, and looked over everything not just my name. Upon sitting down, I remarked purposefully loudly to the woman next to me (who whispered to me how rude she was) "You know, I've never been referred to as just a number before, I thought they only did that in jail."  The other worker met my eyes and slightly smiled sympathetically.  I think even SHE was wondering why her co-worker was so abrupt with everyone, despite her *own* prior unpleasantness towards participants.  

 

One poor girl who had requested a name change pointed out to the worker that the certificate didn't reflect her request.  The worker asked her what her name was supposed to be, and then flippantly remarked "Well they didn't do it.  Sign your name!"  The young lady, for obvious reasons, hesitated in signing it and the worker looked up at her and actually said "What's the problem?"  When the lady repeated that her name is not as requested on the certificate, she was again told to sign it as written.  She did end up signing it, and then respectfully asked "What do I do now, though, about the wrong name?"  The lady abruptly said "You have to go to civil court." and LITERALLY TURNED HER BACK TO HER in her swivel chair!!!  Completely ignored her until she walked away, head down, and confused.   "Next---what's your number?!"

 

Our families did eventually come down and were herded together into a small section partially away from us all. 

 

The judge arrived, we all rose out of respect and then were told to be seated again.  The judge immediately told us that she had just found out this morning that she would be presiding (from eavesdropping on the staff, I could hear them discussing which judge to call to administer the oath just before).  She gave a brief 5-minute off-the-cuff speech about the importance of voting, and serving on a jury.  There was no discussion about the importance of the day, no talk about immigrants contributing to the country, no mention about personal experience with the process.  Just a statement about voting, and jury duty---and a mention of "Happy Diwali" to those celebrating it.  She also introduced her new office clerk to us, a disinterested looking young man sitting next to her.  Overall, she had a pleasant personality, just wished something more poignant was said.  Anything.  Anything at all.   Something to make the day seem special.  Near the end of her comments, she spoke about how we should go forth and be respectable members of society and pay our taxes.  I noticed a few side-eyes being given and maybe we all thought the same thing....that we already *have* been paying taxes and *have* been good members of society.

 

We took the oath of allegiance, and then recited the pledge of allegiance.  We all clapped for ourselves and each other.  The judge handed us our certificate and shook our hands with a perfunctory "congratulations" and then we were immediately directed to leave the courthouse.  Her new clerk, adding to his aura of disinterest, stood next to her with his hands in his pockets, not speaking unless directly spoken to.  

 

All in all, it was a disappointing day.  There was no memorable moment, no feeling of a journey acknowledged, no special gathering, no poignant moment where I felt included as a citizen, no....niceness....about the entire experience.  I remarked to my husband later that it felt like I had just left another USCIS appointment where I just handed over some paperwork.  It was abrupt, the staff seemed mostly annoyed with our presence, rude for the most part, and just an anti-climatic moment all-around since my immigration process began.

 

Am I happy that my journey is over and I'm a citizen as the main thing?  Yes, I suppose so.  Just wish more thought was put into making it an actual special day for people who have struggled, and sweated, and cried, and stressed and sacrificed to make it as far as they did.  Previously reading other people's oath ceremonies in different cities/states had me thinking today wouldn't be "just like any other day".   

 

All in all, the highlight of my ceremony was giving @vkhutchings a hug as we congratulated each other outside of the courtroom.  

 

So that's it.  Oh yeah, that sums up nicely how I felt as soon as I left the courthouse.... "That's it?"

[Crazy Cat 41,806]

Well, it IS an important day.  I am extremely happy for you.......and thanks for sharing your experience.  You truly are one of the best on VJ......

[JoeSchmoe2017 92]

Congratulations and thank you for the very detailed report. A bit disappointing indeed.   

[Going through 5,671]

I honestly don't know what to feel at this point.  I guess I just feel blah?  I thought I'd be on top of the world this afternoon.

 

Thanks for the well-wishes, appreciate it.  I'm working on trying to cheer myself up about becoming a citizen, just not there as of yet.

 

Come Saturday night, my outlook may change since my husband is taking me and our daughter to my favorite restaurant to celebrate...swanky little Argentinian place.  Maybe I'll at least feel happier with a few drinks in me.  And a good steak.

[Marcelina 246]

Congratulations! Hopefully after a drink and a thought “no more USCIS meetings” you will feel a little bit of joy

[Faith38 37]

@Going through congrats!! 

[Happytobe 164]

That is disappointing... but awesome that you made it through! Enjoy your celebration and don’t let the ceremony itself deter your joy and relief. Congrats!!!🎊🎉🎈 

[Going through 5,671]

18 minutes ago, Marcelina said:

Congratulations! Hopefully after a drink and a thought “no more USCIS meetings” you will feel a little bit of joy

I am looking forward to my amicable divorce from USCIS....

[broppy 204]

31 minutes ago, Going through said:

I honestly don't know what to feel at this point.  I guess I just feel blah?  I thought I'd be on top of the world this afternoon.

 

Thanks for the well-wishes, appreciate it.  I'm working on trying to cheer myself up about becoming a citizen, just not there as of yet.

I think that's how I'd expect to feel. You spend $$$ and take years to get to this point, and ... meh! You're allowed to vote (woohoo!) and serve on juries (not so much woohoo!) now. YOU NEVER NEED TO DEAL WITH USCIS EVER AGAIN! And with Canadian blood in your veins, you can still look down on the natives.

 

31 minutes ago, Going through said:

Come Saturday night, my outlook may change since my husband is taking me and our daughter to my favorite restaurant to celebrate...swanky little Argentinian place.  Maybe I'll at least feel happier with a few drinks in me.  And a good steak.

Argentinian? Surely he can find a nice authentic American place to take you - golden arches and happy meals, maybe?

[Going through 5,671]

6 minutes ago, broppy said:

I think that's how I'd expect to feel. You spend $$$ and take years to get to this point, and ... meh! You're allowed to vote (woohoo!) and serve on juries (not so much woohoo!) now. YOU NEVER NEED TO DEAL WITH USCIS EVER AGAIN! And with Canadian blood in your veins, you can still look down on the natives.

 

Argentinian? Surely he can find a nice authentic American place to take you - golden arches and happy meals, maybe?

LOL  there's actually a restaurant in NY called "Trailer Park Lounge" which was just a little TOO "American" for me when he first took me there a long time ago, with the decor and food served.

 

This place we're going to on Saturday is awesome---an Argentinian steakhouse.  We've been there dozens of times over the years and hosted parties there as well---impeccable service (I was able to speak with my favorite waiter on the phone when making reservations and mentioned what we would be celebrating, and he assured me he'd personally serve our table and make the night special for me), and the most amazing white sangria I've ever tasted.

 

If you're ever in Queens, look them up ----  "Pampas Argentinas" 

32 minutes ago, Happytobe said:

That is disappointing... but awesome that you made it through! Enjoy your celebration and don’t let the ceremony itself deter your joy and relief. Congrats!!!🎊🎉🎈 

Thank you  

[broppy 204]

11 minutes ago, Going through said:

LOL  there's actually a restaurant in NY called "Trailer Park Lounge" which was just a little TOO "American" for me when he first took me there a long time ago, with the decor and food served.

Oh, I love it already! That's definitely on the list next time I'm there.

 

11 minutes ago, Going through said:

If you're ever in Queens, look them up ----  "Pampas Argentinas" 

And I'll make a point of popping over to Queens just to try it out.

[JT4/25 38]

congratulations again.  You deserve the best.  Sorry for your oath experience.  And not even a freaking flag to give to you?  If we ever meet...I will make sure you get one!

 

[Unlockable 7,314]

Thanks for sharing your story. Sorry for the experience. But more importantly...

 

CONGRATS!!!

[Going through 5,671]

1 hour ago, broppy said:

Oh, I love it already! That's definitely on the list next time I'm there.

 

Read about it in Yelp....it's...interesting.  

Not sure I'm the type of gal that likes eating under walls covered in roadkill heads, shotguns, tire rims and license plates with a huge toilet bowl ashtray outside, but might be your cup of tea ....not to mention I kind of like receiving UTENSILS when I eat in a restaurant.  

 

Apparently, it's all about the "ambiance and experience" there.... yeah.  Don't get me wrong, I'm fun and like a challenge but even that was just....ugh.  My husband and his boss, on the other hand, thought my reaction upon entering and throughout the entire evening was freakin' hillarious.

Edited October 19, 2017 by Going through

[Going through 5,671]

20 minutes ago, NuestraUnion said:

Thanks for sharing your story. Sorry for the experience. But more importantly...

 

CONGRATS!!!

Thank you  

I'm sure I'll feel better and be able to focus more on the "end result" rather than what led up to it after the end of this week.