Draft of New HHS Strategic Plan Says Life Begins ‘at Conception’

[smilesammich 10,727]

even more awesome. liberty!

 

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A new U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) draft Strategic Plan for 2018 through 2022 contains verbiage defining human life as “beginning at conception” (i.e. with the fertilization of an egg), a radical departure from the language used by previous administrations. Conservatives and pro-life organizations have welcomed the change as a much-needed corrective to Obama-era policies, but women’s health and pro-choice advocates see it as a harbinger of future federal efforts to restrict access to medical services such as contraceptives and abortion.. 

The first of five instances of the controversial phrasing appears in the document’s second paragraph, which states:

HHS accomplishes its mission through programs and initiatives that cover a wide spectrum of 61 activities, serving and protecting Americans at every stage of life, beginning at conception.
For comparison, the same paragraph of the HHS strategic plan for the previous five years began:

HHS accomplishes its mission through programs and initiatives that cover a wide spectrum of activities, serving Americans at every stage of life.
The revised language represents an ideological shift in line with the pro-life stance taken by Donald Trump and the Republican Party during the 2016 presidential campaign. Anti-abortion groups such as the National Right to Life Committee (NRLC) have long relied on the “scientific” claim that that human life begins “at the moment of conception” to justify equating abortion with murder and seeking its prohibition. The NRLC endorsed Trump’s appointment of Rep. Tom Price (R-Ga.), a pro-life advocate who co-sponsored legislation in 2005 proposing that “human life” be defined to “encompass all stages of life, including but not limited to the moment of fertilization or cloning,” to head HHS in November 2016. (Price later resigned amid accusations that he had misused public resources.) 

Observers on both the left and the right noted the political sea change evidenced in the plan. The conservative publication National Review applauded what it called the “scientific accuracy” of the new wording, adding: “We can use all the help stopping the death agenda that we can get.”

http://www.snopes.com/2017/10/11/hhs-says-life-begins-conception/

[Boiler 46,119]

So you will be a USC if your parents did it in the US?

[smilesammich 10,727]

6 minutes ago, Boiler said:

So you will be a USC if your parents did it in the US?

good call!

[bcking 3,157]

1 hour ago, Boiler said:

So you will be a USC if your parents did it in the US?

Not to mention all the women who will be involved in varying forms of involuntary manslaughter when they have a spontaneous abortion (which is estimated to occur in among 30-50% of "conceptions").

[smilesammich 10,727]

1 minute ago, bcking said:

Not to mention all the women who will be involved in varying forms of involuntary manslaughter when they have a spontaneous abortion (which is estimated to occur in among 30-50% of "conceptions").

we'll just need to assemble an investigative panel to look into each 'so-called' spontaneous abortion, have the government make sure there's no funny business going on with our fair breeders i mean women folk.

[bcking 3,157]

Just now, smilesammich said:

we'll just need to assemble an investigative panel to look into each 'so-called' spontaneous abortion, have the government make sure there's no funny business going on with our fair breeders i mean women folk.

A large number of those miscarriages occur before a woman knows she is even pregnant.

 

However, if we are stating life begins at "conception" it doesn't matter if the woman knows or not. That life is already there. So then if anything happens to that life, who is responsible? It seems like it would fall on the woman carrying the "life", even if she had no idea she was doing so.

 

Lets combine this with making it more difficult to gain access to birth control. That sounds like a swell idea...

[Merrytooth 5,748]

2 minutes ago, bcking said:

 

Lets combine this with making it more difficult to gain access to birth control. That sounds like a swell idea...

Last time I check, the stores are still selling protections..

 

Why should birth control falls on women only?

[smilesammich 10,727]

Just now, bcking said:

A large number of those miscarriages occur before a woman knows she is even pregnant.

 

However, if we are stating life begins at "conception" it doesn't matter if the woman knows or not. That life is already there. So then if anything happens to that life, who is responsible? It seems like it would fall on the woman carrying the "life", even if she had no idea she was doing so.

 

Lets combine this with making it more difficult to gain access to birth control. That sounds like a swell idea...

 

i know. maybe we should look for ways to find out conception has occurred at them moment it occurs, just to be safe. i mean, men have a right to know if they're knocking up a serial killer. god forbid a woman have some sort of mthfr mutation, maybe we should start testing girl babies for such killer mutations before she's allowed to grow up and kill?

 

[smilesammich 10,727]

10 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

i know. maybe we should look for ways to find out conception has occurred at them moment it occurs, just to be safe. i mean, men have a right to know if they're knocking up a serial killer. god forbid a woman have some sort of mthfr mutation, maybe we should start testing girl babies for such killer mutations before she's allowed to grow up and kill?

 

on second thought, i better clarify what a mthfr mutation is, so there's no confusion..no one thinks i was cursing/by passing any filter..

 

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Summary: MTHFR is an enzyme necessary for an important metabolic process called methylation. It is this process that converts folate and folic acid into an active form the body can use. The MTHFR gene produces this enzyme, but a genetic mutation can inhibit its function.Sep 28, 2017

https://www.dietvsdisease.org/mthfr-mutation-symptoms-and-diet/

[CaliCat 3,957]

41 minutes ago, bcking said:

A large number of those miscarriages occur before a woman knows she is even pregnant.

 

However, if we are stating life begins at "conception" it doesn't matter if the woman knows or not. That life is already there. So then if anything happens to that life, who is responsible? It seems like it would fall on the woman carrying the "life", even if she had no idea she was doing so.

 

Lets combine this with making it more difficult to gain access to birth control. That sounds like a swell idea...

 

<eyeroll>

Several incorrect assumptions.

 

We all know that women know when they get pregnant, because we all know that women can shut down their reproductive systems, as in the case of rape, and choose not to get pregnant. Pregnancy is, therefore, a choice, according to the GOP. This alone precludes the need for access to birth control.

Under that premise, and the premise that life begins at conception, the least we can expect is that women should he charged with involuntary manslaughter in the event of a miscarriage, and a full investigation should follow suit, to determine whether the alleged perpetrator deliberately put the lost life in danger, by virtue of consumption of alcohol, cigarettes, or other risky social behavior.

 

As Americans, we should not falter, nor hesitate in the relentless pursuit of making America great again. Our Supreme Leader demands and expects nothing less of us.

</eyeroll>

 

Edited October 13, 2017 by CaliCat

[eieio 1,594]

OMG millions are going to die.

 

Women will have no idea how to avoid getting pregnant.  They will have to choose between not having an iPhone 8plus or 20 bucks for birth control. What are they going to do? The horror and devastation this will cause.

 

Quick...we need to make some beaver hats and signs and shout in the streets.

[CaliCat 3,957]

33 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

i know. maybe we should look for ways to find out conception has occurred at them moment it occurs, just to be safe. i mean, men have a right to know if they're knocking up a serial killer. god forbid a woman have some sort of mthfr mutation, maybe we should start testing girl babies for such killer mutations before she's allowed to grow up and kill?

 

on second thought, i better clarify what a mthfr mutation is, so there's no confusion..no one thinks i was cursing/by passing any filter..

 

https://www.dietvsdisease.org/mthfr-mutation-symptoms-and-diet/

 

Easy. Women should have cameras installed in their reproductive systems, so the precise moment can be established. 

(add sarcasm)

 

Edited October 13, 2017 by CaliCat

[smilesammich 10,727]

4 minutes ago, eieio said:

OMG millions are going to die.

 

Women will have no idea how to avoid getting pregnant.  They will have to choose between not having an iPhone 8plus or 20 bucks for birth control. What are they going to do? The horror and devastation this will cause.

 

Quick...we need to make some beaver hats and signs and shout in the streets.

the op primarily concerns hhs pushing the 'life begins at conception' christian right nonsense. it will also deem certain types of birth control illegal, and i'm sure you're aware - not every female can take 20$ birth control. that's why there are many different types of birth control, it's not a one size fits all type deal.

[smilesammich 10,727]

Just now, CaliCat said:

 

Easy. Women should have cameras installed in their reproductive systems, so the precise moment can be established. 

well that will cost too much money. there must be a simpler way to give men total power over when and where a woman conceives. it might start with birth control in the water, i think that was brought up the other day.

[bcking 3,157]

12 minutes ago, eieio said:

OMG millions are going to die.

 

Women will have no idea how to avoid getting pregnant.  They will have to choose between not having an iPhone 8plus or 20 bucks for birth control. What are they going to do? The horror and devastation this will cause.

 

Quick...we need to make some beaver hats and signs and shout in the streets.

I'm sorry if the medical information is a bit over your head.

 

It is estimated that 30-50% of "conceptions" end in spontaneous abortion. I know abortion is a buzz word and that may get you all russled up, but a "spontaneous abortion" is a miscarriage. Something that can happen without any clear identifiable cause. Something that a woman has very little control over.

 

So if life begins at conception, that means 30-50% of ALL HUMAN LIFE ends in spontaneous abortion. 30-50% of all human life die before before born. If they were truly "living" and they "died", who is responsible? The mother was their caretaker during the pregnancy, so is she not liable in some way?

 

I know you were trying to be "sarcastically dramatic" when you said millions will die. However, the reality is millions will be dying if life is defined by fertilization of an egg.

 

Edited October 13, 2017 by bcking