AUTOMATIC RIFLES ARE BANNED. HERE'S HOW THE LAS VEGAS SHOOTER COULD HAVE GOTTEN ONE

[Sonea 138]

8 minutes ago, IDWAF said:

I have a lot of experience with weapons such as these.  Not only do I think there are more than one, I don’t think they are 5.56 caliber.

 

 

The first shots seem to be followed by echoes.

The second burst at 0:46 sounds like the “echoes” in the first burst.  Or gunfire from a farther distance, definitely 7.62/.308 caliber.

Then at 1:09, shots fired much closer followed by echoes off a building.  Sounds more like 5.56/.223 caliber.  May just be sharper because they are closer to and more in the direction of the cab driver.  Not sure.  But definitely two different rifles and firing positions.

His room sound big and he did have two firing positions within. Maybe he had a 5.56 set up at one window and a 7.62 at the other. 

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

25 minutes ago, IDWAF said:

Everyone is focusing on the wrong things here I think.  Forget about gun laws for the moment, or your political leanings.

 

Does it not strike anyone else that there were at least two different weapons firing from two different locations at the same time?  And the caliber doesn’t seem to me to be 5.56.  Much louder, like 7.62/.308.  We are not being told the whole story here.  Something is fishy.

I have said the same thing in the other thread that is was not a 5.56 but a higher caliber weapon. I have some of the pictures of the hotel room and it looks off, if he fired all those rounds then where are all the shell casings? Because the pictures that are out showing 30 round magazines and some shell casings on the floor looks like #######. I am sorry but he did not use 30 round magazines to fire those weapons in that amount of fire for that long a span at a time. He either had a drum magazines or an actual machine gun(which are hard to get). 

 

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

1 minute ago, Sonea said:

His room sound big and he did have two firing positions within. Maybe he had a 5.56 set up at one window and a 7.62 at the other. 

But at certain points, I am fairly certain there are two guns firing at the same time.  Also, in watching other videos of concert-goers, there are no muzzle flashes from the two high-up windows, but there are from a lower vantage point, near the center of the hotel, somewhere around the 4th or 5th floor.

[Sonea 138]

1 minute ago, cyberfx1024 said:

I have said the same thing in the other thread that is was not a 5.56 but a higher caliber weapon. I have some of the pictures of the hotel room and it looks off, if he fired all those rounds then where are all the shell casings? Because the pictures that are out showing 30 round magazines and some shell casings on the floor looks like #######. I am sorry but he did not use 30 round magazines to fire those weapons in that amount of fire for that long a span at a time. He either had a drum magazines or an actual machine gun(which are hard to get). 

 

Playing devil's advocate. He may have had the rifle through the window far enough that they were ejecting outside?

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

23 minutes ago, Sonea said:

I haven't listened that closely. Are you sure you aren't hearing echos off the facade of the building?

As a Combat Veteran who has actually seen combat it does sound like a heavier caliber in the video, but that's only a small amount of 10 minutes of the whole incident. Also a fellow Combat Veteran told them where he was and what room, but they still didn't get to him for almost an hour. Why did it take so long??????

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

2 minutes ago, cyberfx1024 said:

I have said the same thing in the other thread that is was not a 5.56 but a higher caliber weapon. I have some of the pictures of the hotel room and it looks off, if he fired all those rounds then where are all the shell casings? Because the pictures that are out showing 30 round magazines and some shell casings on the floor looks like #######. I am sorry but he did not use 30 round magazines to fire those weapons in that amount of fire for that long a span at a time. He either had a drum magazines or an actual machine gun(which are hard to get). 

 

I agree.  Someone has been set up here to take a fall.  I counted about 75 rounds in one extended burst last night.  Definitely a drum or a belt, but as you say, belt-fed weapons aren’t easy to come by.  But if supplied by a much larger entity, anything is possible.

 

Sounds like this guy had money, so he COULD have bankrolled this spree, but the layout of several things is all wrong to me.  Broken windows up high, muzzle flashes down low... doesn’t add up.

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

2 minutes ago, Sonea said:

Playing devil's advocate. He may have had the rifle through the window far enough that they were ejecting outside?

If that is the case then he is almost hanging out the window. If you have EVER spent anytime shooting a AK or a AR you would know the casing does go to the side of where you are, you would especially understand this if you have EVER got hot brass down your shirt from the guy next to you. 

Edited October 4, 2017 by cyberfx1024

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

4 minutes ago, cyberfx1024 said:

As a Combat Veteran who has actually seen combat it does sound like a heavier caliber in the video, but that's only a small amount of 10 minutes of the whole incident. Also a fellow Combat Veteran told them where he was and what room, but they still didn't get to him for almost an hour. Why did it take so long??????

I can distinctly hear two different calibers.  One has the same firing sound and rate of fire as an M60/M240.  Slower and deeper than a M249 or M4/M16 style using a bump stock (one of the theories).

Edited October 4, 2017 by IDWAF

[yuna628 9,676]

1 minute ago, IDWAF said:

I agree.  Someone has been set up here to take a fall.  I counted about 75 rounds in one extended burst last night.  Definitely a drum or a belt, but as you say, belt-fed weapons aren’t easy to come by.  But if supplied by a much larger entity, anything is possible.

 

Sounds like this guy had money, so he COULD have bankrolled this spree, but the layout of several things is all wrong to me.  Broken windows up high, muzzle flashes down low... doesn’t add up.

I know very little about types of weapons, but I've certainly played enough FPS shooters to agree it sounds like a belt-fed weapon. I can even think of a few games that come to mind that have weapons that sound strikingly similar. There is indeed a lot that doesn't make sense.

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

1 minute ago, IDWAF said:

I can distinctly hear two different calibers.  One has the same firing sound and rate of fire as an M60/M240.  Slower and deeper than a M249 or M4/M16 style using a bump stock (one of the theories).

If you look in the posts I said yesterday I said if it is a 5.56 weapon then it is a M249 because I have fired those a fair number of times. The slower and deeper one could be a RPK. 

[Sonea 138]

6 minutes ago, cyberfx1024 said:

If that is the case then he is almost hanging out the window. If you have EVER spent anytime shooting a AK or a AR you would know the casing does go to the side of where you are, you would especially understand this if you have EVER got hot brass down your shirt from the guy next to you. 

All my rifles eject at different angles. I have an AR that ejects at 4 oclock. I have an M1 that ejects at 2 oclock.

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

7 minutes ago, IDWAF said:

I agree.  Someone has been set up here to take a fall.  I counted about 75 rounds in one extended burst last night.  Definitely a drum or a belt, but as you say, belt-fed weapons aren’t easy to come by.  But if supplied by a much larger entity, anything is possible.

 

Sounds like this guy had money, so he COULD have bankrolled this spree, but the layout of several things is all wrong to me.  Broken windows up high, muzzle flashes down low... doesn’t add up.

I agree he could have bankrolled this whole thing and he might have. But it does not make sense at all because he sounds like a meticulous planner, so why do all of this and not have a letter or manifesto?  Why did he go through all of this planning if there is no reason? I don't get the whole "he snapped from mental illness" thing either because it does not make sense at all. He is a multi millionaire that owns alot of apartments here in SoCal. So how has he amassed all of this wealth being mentally unstable???????

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

2 minutes ago, Sonea said:

All my rifles eject at different angles. I have an AR that ejects at 4 oclock. I have an M1 that ejects at 2 oclock.

I agree with that but "supposedly" he only fired AR and AK style weapons. I have both of those weapons and there would be alot more shell casings than there are in the picture because he supposedly used tripods. The usage of tripods would have given him greater accuracy but also more than likely make sure the shell casings stayed inside. 

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

3 minutes ago, cyberfx1024 said:

I agree he could have bankrolled this whole thing and he might have. But it does not make sense at all because he sounds like a meticulous planner, so why do all of this and not have a letter or manifesto?  Why did he go through all of this planning if there is no reason? I don't get the whole "he snapped from mental illness" thing either because it does not make sense at all. He is a multi millionaire that owns alot of apartments here in SoCal. So how has he amassed all of this wealth being mentally unstable???????

Lot of rich people are jacked in the head 

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

1 minute ago, cyberfx1024 said:

I agree he could have bankrolled this whole thing and he might have. But it does not make sense at all because he sounds like a meticulous planner, so why do all of this and not have a letter or manifesto?  Why did he go through all of this planning if there is no reason? I don't get the whole "he snapped from mental illness" thing either because it does not make sense at all. He is a multi millionaire that owns alot of apartments here in SoCal. So how has he amassed all of this wealth being mentally unstable???????

What you are saying is why I think he may have been the fall guy.  The “second shooter” if you will.  Why DID it take so long to find him?  And why blow his own head off after initially “shot at police when they tried to enter his room”, or reporting similar to that?  With all that firepower, he could have killed a few cops while they tried to take him out.  

 

The head blown off thing is a tad too “neat” for me.