At least 50 dead, 400 injured in shooting near Mandalay Bay casino, 1 suspect 'down'

[Boiler 46,121]

8 minutes ago, Merle said:

Ok let's take a look at a few restrictions we have nowadays that we didn't have in the recent past. We'll start with your state CA which has some of the most restrictive gun laws there is yet a high crime rate.

 

Firearm Registration

 

The California Department of Justice ("DOJ") retains information about the purchaser and seller of all in-state firearm sales and transfers, and requires that any firearms imported into the state be reported to the DOJ.^[10] Furthermore, the Attorney General is required by law to maintain a registry containing the fingerprints and identifying information of the transferee, and the unique identifying information of every firearm transferred in the state, pursuant to §11106.^[11] All handgun serial numbers and sales are recorded by the state in the Department of Justice's Automated Firearms System, along with those of many long guns. While there is no requirement for California residents to register handguns owned prior to 1991 with law enforcement, §12025 and §12031 enhance several misdemeanor offenses to felonies if the handgun is not on file in the Department of Justice's Automated Firearms System. New residents must register handguns (purchased outside of California) with DOJ within 60 days. As of January 1, 2014, long gun serial numbers are also recorded, where as previously only the sale was recorded. However, it is not required that owners of long guns purchased prior to 2014 register their firearms and it is not a crime to be in possession of an un-registered firearm.

 

Magazine Capacity Restriction

 

Section 32310 of the Penal Code states: "commencing January 1, 2000, any person in this state who manufactures or causes to be manufactured, imports into the state, keeps for sale, or offers or exposes for sale, or who gives, lends, buys, or receives any large-capacity magazine is punishable by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year or imprisonment". Thus, the offenses listed can be charged as a felony or a misdemeanor at the discretion of the prosecutor.^[13] The section continues further by explaining that: "'manufacturing' includes both fabricating a magazine and assembling a magazine from a combination of parts, including, but not limited to, the body, spring, follower, and floor plate or end plate, to be a fully functioning large-capacity magazine". Until January 1, 2014, it was only a crime to "manufacture, import, keep for sale, offer or expose for sale, or give or lend any large-capacity magazine". Assembly Bill 48 was signed by Governor Jerry Brown on October 11, 2013 and expanded previous prohibitions by making it illegal to buy or receive a large-capacity magazine or magazine rebuild kit.^[14] Peace officers (under Penal Code Section 830) and "person licensed pursuant to [CA Penal Code] Sections 26700 to 26915" are exempt this prohibition on the purchase and sale of large-capacity magazines for personal use. However, federal law enforcement officers are not exempt and must obtain large-capacity magazines through their agency.^[15] In November 2016 California voters approved Proposition 63. The referendum outlaws the possession of magazines that can hold more than ten rounds of ammunition, requires background checks for all ammunition sales, and mandates the reporting of lost or stolen firearms.^[16] On June 30, 2017, a federal judge blocked the enforcement of Proposition 63's ban on the possession of magazines capable of holding more than 10 rounds of ammunition, pending the outcome of litigation concerning the ban. Magazines that would have been subject to the Proposition 63 ban are legal for private citizens to keep until the injunction is either lifted and/or the ban is upheld by the courts.

 

NFA Weapons

 

Possession of automatic weapons or short-barreled shotguns or rifles prohibited without DOJ "Dangerous Weapons Permit"; permission rarely granted outside of film industry (it's quite ironic how the gun hating Hollywood types can glorify the use of machine guns yet they are banned for everyone but them in the state). Suppressors (aka silencers) prohibited. Destructive devices are prohibited unless are designated as curios & relics, in which case a collectors permit can be obtained. The only AOWs that are permitted are smoothbore pistols and firearms with a combination of a smoothbore and rifle barrel.

 

And the list goes on

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_California

 

With all these laws CA has it should be the safest place on earth, but it isn't.

Please please, this has nothing to do with facts.

 

Can we just focus on feelings.

[smilesammich 10,727]

if you can't be the safest place on earth - why be safe at all? 

Just now, Boiler said:

Please please, this has nothing to do with facts.

 

Can we just focus on feelings.

yes, let's focus on how guns make their owners feel.  where to start..

[Boiler 46,121]

2 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

if you can't be the safest place on earth - why be safe at all? 

yes, let's focus on how guns make their owners feel.  where to start..

Is that gun in your picture or are just pleased to be posting on here?

[Merle 458]

4 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

if you can't be the safest place on earth - why be safe at all? 

yes, let's focus on how guns make their owners feel.  where to start..

Personally my guns make me feel safer knowing that I have the means to defend myself from those wanting to do bodily harm on me or a member of my household.

Edited October 6, 2017 by Merle

[smilesammich 10,727]

Just now, Boiler said:

Is that gun in your picture or are just pleased to be posting on here?

focus on the sunglasses, they live!

[smilesammich 10,727]

Just now, Merle said:

It makes me feel safer knowing that I have the means to defend myself from those wanting to do bodily harm on me or a member of my household.

owning a gun makes you feel more secure. of course there's plenty of facts that speak to that sense of security being false. but at least you feel safer. any other feelings?

[Boiler 46,121]

2 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

focus on the sunglasses, they live!

[smilesammich 10,727]

4 minutes ago, Boiler said:

[Merle 458]

2 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

owning a gun makes you feel more secure. of course there's plenty of facts that speak to that sense of security being false. but at least you feel safer. any other feelings?

I could copy and paste story after story of intruders being killed in people's homes while up to no good but instead I'll make it easier for you.

 

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=home+invader+killed

[smilesammich 10,727]

5 minutes ago, Merle said:

I could copy and paste story after story of intruders being killed in people's homes while up to no good but instead I'll make it easier for you.

 

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=home+invader+killed

thanks, but i already know that guns are used in self defense. there are still plenty of storys where guns did not serve the purpose of self defense properly, or where even used with that intent in the first place.

obviously, in the shooting that occurred in las vegas, owning a personal weapon and/or having it on one's person did absolutely no good. do you think we should just accept that there will always be 'evil' people who are fully within their right to amass the means to spray down hundreds of people? 

Edited October 6, 2017 by smilesammich

[Dashinka 24,799]

3 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

thanks, but i already know that guns are used in self defense. there are still plenty of storys where guns did not serve the purpose of self defense properly, or where even used with that intent in the first place.

obviously, in the shooting that occurred in las vegas, owning a personal weapon and/or having it on one's person did absolutely no good. do you think we should just accept that there will always be 'evil' people who are fully within their right to amass the means to spray down hundreds of people? 

What is the solution?  Certainly I don’t think you are suggesting we can do away with evil people, so what is the alternative?   Don’t we have to know that someone is evil first before we can take away anyone’s rights?

[smilesammich 10,727]

1 minute ago, Bill & Katya said:

What is the solution?  Certainly I don’t think you are suggesting we can do away with evil people, so what is the alternative?   Don’t we have to know that someone is evil first before we can take away anyone’s rights?

i'm just trying to convince everyone that there is no point to life. give up. we're doomed. no one is safe. there is nothing we can do. our hands are tied. 

 

do you think the rights of the 58 dead in las vegas were properly protected?

[Merle 458]

5 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

thanks, but i already know that guns are used in self defense. there are still plenty of storys where guns did not serve the purpose of self defense properly, or where even used with that intent in the first place.

obviously, in the shooting that occurred in las vegas, owning a personal weapon and/or having it on one's person did absolutely no good. do you think we should just accept that there will always be 'evil' people who are fully within their right to amass the means to spray down hundreds of people? 

Of course I don't accept it but I also don't accept the banning or restricting the use of anything that could be used improperly to do harm onto others either. Some of the worst mass murders in history didn't involve guns whatsoever. Guns are just the en vogue means of mass murderers lately. You need mo to do some more googling for you?

[Dashinka 24,799]

2 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

i'm just trying to convince everyone that there is no point to life. give up. we're doomed. no one is safe. there is nothing we can do. our hands are tied. 

 

do you think the rights of the 58 dead in las vegas were properly protected?

So you are suggesting the only hope is to take away all guns?

[Boiler 46,121]

5 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

What is the solution?  Certainly I don’t think you are suggesting we can do away with evil people, so what is the alternative?   Don’t we have to know that someone is evil first before we can take away anyone’s rights?

Put them on a naughty list?