At least 50 dead, 400 injured in shooting near Mandalay Bay casino, 1 suspect 'down'

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10 hours ago, Il Mango Dulce said:

If you are one of those who are older and above the income subsidy cut-off, yes it can be high.  We need to lower the Medicare age to 50 to manage that problem.  If you are young and poor you should go for the gold plan. 

 

 

"For example, when examining an individual who makes $48,000 annually (just above the $47,520 cut-off for individual premium subsidy eligibility in 2017, 60-year-olds would need to spend 22% of their income to afford that average silver plan premium while 30-year-olds would only need to spend 9%," the report said.

Obamacare plans are divided into four metal tiers — bronze, silver, gold, and platinum. Bronze plans tend to have the lowest monthly premiums and the highest deductibles. Silver plans as a rule have higher premiums than bronze plans, but lower deductibles. That pattern continues up to platinum plans, which have the highest premiums and the lowest deductibles.

Most subsidized Obamacare customers opt for a silver plan, because the subsidies can significantly reduce their premium, and because silver plans are the only type of coverage for which the out-of-pocket financial subsidies can be applied.

HealthPocket found that gold plans will see their premiums rise by an average of 22 percent. Nationally, the average 40-year-old enrolled in a gold plan would pay, before subsidies, $522.45 per month, compared to an average of $428.51 this year for the same type of plan.

For platinum plans, premiums are rising by an average of 15 percent in 2017."

How is this going to be paid for?

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2 hours ago, Bill & Katya said:

Just like almost everyone except those in the elite category cannot afford armed security teams.

I just don't understand why it is called insurance, cause it's not when you pay that much of money.

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2 hours ago, Bill & Katya said:

How is this going to be paid for?

I use my magic money tree.

 

You should get one.

[Dashinka 24,799]

15 minutes ago, Boiler said:

I use my magic money tree.

 

You should get one.

Did you get the seeds from Jack?

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Just now, Bill & Katya said:

Did you get the seeds from Jack?

Nope

 

Obama

[CaliCat 3,957]

13 hours ago, Merle said:

This problem stems from the breakdown of morals and values in this country. You have to ask yourself why these kinds of crimes weren't commonplace 20, 30, 40 years ago. Guns were just as available then as they are now.  What has happened to societal values and norms since then? No more school spankings maybe? Glamorization of violence? I don't remember growing up having students cussing out the teacher in class or kids walking up and punching strangers on the street for fun. Maybe we should make people have a psychological evaluation before reproducing more idiots like themselves. Some of you talk about how the founders couldn't have envisioned the weapons we have today but I say they couldn't envision how far our society would decline down the toilet.

 

Guns were available but they didn't carry the same lethal punch as they do today. It is true that societal rules have changed, and I also believe they may be a part of it, and maybe the combination of these rules with the availability of these weapons just make it all the more appealing to commit these crimes. In addition, the glamorization of violence has been desensitizing us to these events ever so slowly. I don't believe that those many decades ago we'd be having so many people speaking in favor or having civilians carrying semi-automatic weapons. The gun culture followed the crazies down that yellow brick road. 

 

 

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17 minutes ago, CaliCat said:

 

Guns were available but they didn't carry the same lethal punch as they do today. It is true that societal rules have changed, and I also believe they may be a part of it, and maybe the combination of these rules with the availability of these weapons just make it all the more appealing to commit these crimes. In addition, the glamorization of violence has been desensitizing us to these events ever so slowly. I don't believe that those many decades ago we'd be having so many people speaking in favor or having civilians carrying semi-automatic weapons. The gun culture followed the crazies down that yellow brick road. 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_Bess

 

The Long Land Pattern musket and its derivatives, all .75 caliber flintlock muskets, 

 

Most of the guns mentioned on here fire a .223 caliber, which would be illegal for hunting most things in my State due to its ineffectiveness.

[Merle 458]

29 minutes ago, CaliCat said:

 

Guns were available but they didn't carry the same lethal punch as they do today.  

 

 

How have guns become more lethal? The .223 Remington/5.56x45 cartridge available today has the same ballistic energy as it did when it was fired from the AR15 in 1963, which is the year this particular rifle was available for purchase by the public. Back in the 80s and 90s you could go to  many local sporting good stores and buy a surplus SKS rifle for less than $100 and a case of ammo (1000 rounds or more) for another $100 yet I don't remember anyone using one to commit a mass murder.

Edited October 6, 2017 by Merle

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A friend uses a Semi Auto for hunting, but that is a 30.06 still makes a much smaller hole than a Brown Bess. Those wounds were horrific.That one goes back to 1906.

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28 minutes ago, Merle said:

How have guns become more lethal? The .223 Remington/5.56x45 cartridge available today has the same ballistic energy as it did when it was fired from the AR15 in 1963, which is the year this particular rifle was available for purchase by the public. Back in the 80s and 90s you could go to  many local sporting good stores and buy a surplus SKS rifle for less than $100 and a case of ammo (1000 rounds or more) for another $100 yet I don't remember anyone using one to commit a mass murder.

 

By sheer virtue of their becoming more easily procured. 

[Merle 458]

4 minutes ago, CaliCat said:

 

By sheer virtue of their becoming more easily procured. 

They were just as procurable 30 years ago as they are now, probably even more so. If anything, they have become more regulated in many places.

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6 minutes ago, CaliCat said:

 

By sheer virtue of their becoming more easily procured. 

I am told by friends that grew up here it is much more painful and expensive than it used to be.

[CaliCat 3,957]

13 minutes ago, Merle said:

They were just as procurable 30 years ago as they are now, probably even more so. If anything, they have become more regulated in many places.

 

We agree to disagree. 

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4 minutes ago, CaliCat said:

 

We agree to disagree. 

You agree to disagree.

[Merle 458]

50 minutes ago, CaliCat said:

 

We agree to disagree. 

Ok let's take a look at a few restrictions we have nowadays that we didn't have in the recent past. We'll start with your state CA which has some of the most restrictive gun laws there is yet a high crime rate.

 

Firearm Registration

 

The California Department of Justice ("DOJ") retains information about the purchaser and seller of all in-state firearm sales and transfers, and requires that any firearms imported into the state be reported to the DOJ.^[10] Furthermore, the Attorney General is required by law to maintain a registry containing the fingerprints and identifying information of the transferee, and the unique identifying information of every firearm transferred in the state, pursuant to §11106.^[11] All handgun serial numbers and sales are recorded by the state in the Department of Justice's Automated Firearms System, along with those of many long guns. While there is no requirement for California residents to register handguns owned prior to 1991 with law enforcement, §12025 and §12031 enhance several misdemeanor offenses to felonies if the handgun is not on file in the Department of Justice's Automated Firearms System. New residents must register handguns (purchased outside of California) with DOJ within 60 days. As of January 1, 2014, long gun serial numbers are also recorded, where as previously only the sale was recorded. However, it is not required that owners of long guns purchased prior to 2014 register their firearms and it is not a crime to be in possession of an un-registered firearm.

 

Magazine Capacity Restriction

 

Section 32310 of the Penal Code states: "commencing January 1, 2000, any person in this state who manufactures or causes to be manufactured, imports into the state, keeps for sale, or offers or exposes for sale, or who gives, lends, buys, or receives any large-capacity magazine is punishable by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year or imprisonment". Thus, the offenses listed can be charged as a felony or a misdemeanor at the discretion of the prosecutor.^[13] The section continues further by explaining that: "'manufacturing' includes both fabricating a magazine and assembling a magazine from a combination of parts, including, but not limited to, the body, spring, follower, and floor plate or end plate, to be a fully functioning large-capacity magazine". Until January 1, 2014, it was only a crime to "manufacture, import, keep for sale, offer or expose for sale, or give or lend any large-capacity magazine". Assembly Bill 48 was signed by Governor Jerry Brown on October 11, 2013 and expanded previous prohibitions by making it illegal to buy or receive a large-capacity magazine or magazine rebuild kit.^[14] Peace officers (under Penal Code Section 830) and "person licensed pursuant to [CA Penal Code] Sections 26700 to 26915" are exempt this prohibition on the purchase and sale of large-capacity magazines for personal use. However, federal law enforcement officers are not exempt and must obtain large-capacity magazines through their agency.^[15] In November 2016 California voters approved Proposition 63. The referendum outlaws the possession of magazines that can hold more than ten rounds of ammunition, requires background checks for all ammunition sales, and mandates the reporting of lost or stolen firearms.^[16] On June 30, 2017, a federal judge blocked the enforcement of Proposition 63's ban on the possession of magazines capable of holding more than 10 rounds of ammunition, pending the outcome of litigation concerning the ban. Magazines that would have been subject to the Proposition 63 ban are legal for private citizens to keep until the injunction is either lifted and/or the ban is upheld by the courts.

 

NFA Weapons

 

Possession of automatic weapons or short-barreled shotguns or rifles prohibited without DOJ "Dangerous Weapons Permit"; permission rarely granted outside of film industry (it's quite ironic how the gun hating Hollywood types can glorify the use of machine guns yet they are banned for everyone but them in the state). Suppressors (aka silencers) prohibited. Destructive devices are prohibited unless are designated as curios & relics, in which case a collectors permit can be obtained. The only AOWs that are permitted are smoothbore pistols and firearms with a combination of a smoothbore and rifle barrel.

 

And the list goes on

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_California

 

With all these laws CA has it should be the safest place on earth, but it isn't.

Edited October 6, 2017 by Merle