At least 50 dead, 400 injured in shooting near Mandalay Bay casino, 1 suspect 'down'

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

3 minutes ago, Merle said:

You can keep yourself up to date with all the Chicago tomfoolery here: http://heyjackass.com/

Chicago is a MDL trigger word. 

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

42 minutes ago, CaliCat said:

 

 

We need to change the way we look at guns, and what the true reason for the 2nd amendment. At the time it was written, the country was new and fragile, whereas we now live at times when America is a mature country. Chances that your guns will do you you any good in the case the British decide to claim back the colonies, or the Russians decide to invade us are as laughable as the possibility of either event taking place. For the same reason, for all the nuts who are preparing to resist a takeover by the government, they need to wake up. They wouldn't survive a week without the comforts or modern life, and trust me, if the government were intent to take your land or your guns, they would.  

So, we need to ask ourselves, what is the purpose of all these semi-automatic and high capacity guns, other than to offer you with the vision of the possibility of all the harm you can do? Why don't these terrorists go into a concert venue carrying 29 or 30 handguns to kill people? Ironically, these rifles offer them the possibility and the means to commit mass murder from the comfort of a well-appointed air-conditioned suite, inside a modern hotel.

Some people will argue that there is that adrenaline rush of firing one of these beauties, and even try to romanticize and glorify these weapons. Well, you can get the same rush from cocaine or another drug, but on the flip side drugs will harm you, whereas for these terrorists, the rush comes from killing other people.

Yet, many people posit that criminals have guns, and that outlawing these rifles would not make a difference. That is a fallacy. None of the mass murderers associated with gun massacres were criminals until the moment they started unloading their weapons on innocent people. So, while it's true that criminals will continue to have guns, that is something the police force and law enforcement is there for. While it's true that criminals will continue to use guns to kill people, I would argue that the victims in Columbine, Aurora Sandy Hook, Orlando, and now Las Vegas would still all be alive, if these so-called law abiding individuals didn't have the weapons they used to commit their crimes available to them. I also find it hard to fathom they would go out of their way to acquire guns illegally to commit these crimes.

So, while the guns didn't shoot themselves on their own accord, it's their ease of availability that keep turning these tragedies into news pairing for our meals. I think we're at a point where for many people these mass shootings have become just another segment in the news cycle.

 

Don’t disagree on the intent back when the 2nd amendment was penned.  Times have definitely changed.

 

Your points about mass killers not being criminals until they are, I agree also.  But if guns were banned today, would that really do much to reduce the gun homicides?  I don’t think so, personally.  I posted something the other day about the average numbers of death per year from mass shootings, think it was under 20 per year.  Not really a drop in what is a rather large bucket (~13K or more per year).

 

Making guns less accessible would have to help, no doubt about that.  But to whom would they be less accessible?  Only law abiding citizens, I fear.  Because while I may not know right now where to obtain a firearm illegally, I know about 2 days of internet research and I would probably be the proud owner of them.  Who does that?  Criminals who can’t buy them legally.  So we come back to the place in this mess where the only people who will have easy access to weapons are those who actually intend to do harm with them.  I might be wrong about the criminals having access, but I don’t think I am.  With the number of weapons in the US, it would take YEARS to be rid of them thru attrition, even if every citizen voluntarily turned theirs in today.

 

And of course, that doesn’t account for the ability to make firearms.  Plastic ones via a 3D printer even.  Restricting ammo sales might have a positive impact, but I suspect that, too, would take years to see that effect.

[smilesammich 10,727]

1 hour ago, Merle said:

And just like everything else, if a criminal wanted a suppressor (calling it silencer is a Hollywood thing) he would get one no matter what the laws are. Suppressors aren't too difficult to manufacture. I've even seen YouTube videos where people show you how to make them out of flashlight bodies.

is this why i have to show my driver's license to buy claritin?

Edited October 5, 2017 by smilesammich

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

1 minute ago, smilesammich said:

is this why i have to show my driver's license to buy claritin?

No is cause you live in backwoods 2 tooth Billy mullet methville

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

Had to look this guy up, couldn’t remember how many he had killed in Norway.  But consider that guns are banned in Norway, yet this guy killed 77 people.  With no high capacity mags, no “assault” weapon, and only one weapon at that. (Though I personally consider any weapon used to hurt another an assault weapon; it’s the intent that makes it so).  

 

Anders Behring Breivik

 

Unfortunately, he got far too light of a sentence, IMO.

[CaliCat 3,957]

1 hour ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

Although the mass shootings make news, they are a tiny tiny fraction of gun deaths. Last time I checked assault looking guns killed less people than hands and feet. Almost 400 people have been kiled just in chicago aline this year, almost entirely wirh cheap illegal handguns. 

 

What do you propose to a adress the real issue of handguns 

 

But not the people killed in LV.  They were not killed by cheap handguns.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

1 minute ago, CaliCat said:

 

But not the people killed in LV.  They were not killed by cheap handguns.

Doesn’t take away from the fact that NB made... only a tiny fraction are killed by criminals such as the LV shooter.  

[TBoneTX 46,126]

3 hours ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

What real idea does Hillary have to reduce the gun death epidemic in this country

Her husband's one-time Surgeon General, Joycelyn Elders, proposed "Safer guns, and safer bullets!"

This, on its face, is exactly what's called for.

Might be a paper on PubMed that deals with it.  Must search.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

17 hours ago, TBoneTX said:

Her husband's one-time Surgeon General, Joycelyn Elders, proposed "Safer guns, and safer bullets!"

This, on its face, is exactly what's called for.

Might be a paper on PubMed that deals with it.  Must search.

I read on a major news source that the shooter used automatic bullets.  Those things are obviously not the answer.  *smh*

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This guy is the reason I have my doubts that taking guns from the majority of Americans will have any effect on the problem:

 

[smilesammich 10,727]

3 hours ago, IDWAF said:

This guy is the reason I have my doubts that taking guns from the majority of Americans will have any effect on the problem:

 

http://www.snopes.com/dontray-mills/

why is this guy the reason? and who said anything about taking guns away from the majority of americans?

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

6 hours ago, TBoneTX said:

Her husband's one-time Surgeon General, Joycelyn Elders, proposed "Safer guns, and safer bullets!"

This, on its face, is exactly what's called for.

Might be a paper on PubMed that deals with it.  Must search.

Safer bullets? Please do tell 

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

3 hours ago, IDWAF said:

I read on a major news source that the shooter used automatic bullets.  Those things are obviously not the answer.  *smh*

I am gonna get some today on my trip to get blinker fluid 

[Dashinka 24,800]

26 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

http://www.snopes.com/dontray-mills/

why is this guy the reason? and who said anything about taking guns away from the majority of americans?

All the folks here saying the 2nd Amendment is old outdated and needs to be eliminated.  Btw, the Snopes preference is not needed here as the meme never said anything about an Obama pardon.

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15 hours ago, smilesammich said:

http://www.snopes.com/dontray-mills/

why is this guy the reason? and who said anything about taking guns away from the majority of americans?

Why would any sane person ask why?  He is a criminal,  making it easier for people to obtain illegal weapons.  He should be in jail, not out selling guns.