At least 50 dead, 400 injured in shooting near Mandalay Bay casino, 1 suspect 'down'

[bcking 3,157]

  On 10/4/2017 at 4:31 PM, Bill & Katya said:

I still equate personal protection as a "reasonable use" and a very important one at that.  Can't carry around a police officer all the time, and I cannot afford a group of bodyguards either.

 

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That may be a reasonable use. Even if that is the case, we have to balance it with irresponsible use.

 

We have a deadly mass shooting every what, year at most? I think we could achieve better balance between your perceived personal protection and the deaths of our fellow citizens.

 

If you look at countries where guns are more heavily restricted, I don't see the public being any more "at risk" because they lack "personal protection" from a firearm. I don't know a see person who has as much fear for their "personal protection" outside the US as the people I talk to in Texas who all say "Man you must have a gun because everyone here has a gun". That concept is completely foreign in any other 1st world country. I need personal protection because everyone else has a right to it...

[smilesammich 10,727]

  On 10/4/2017 at 4:32 PM, Mr&Mrs G. said:

Opposite happened to me earlier, member ignored my flag and assumed I was American.  

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that's terrible. are you ok?

[Ebunoluwa 6,136]

  On 10/4/2017 at 2:58 PM, smilesammich said:

mass shootings will always lead to discussion on gun control and discussion of gun control will always be political. calling a particular opinion on gun control 'opportunist' is outside the bounds of playing nice.

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Exactly. Nothing wrong with discussing gun control because it needs to be discussed.

There is a whole lot wrong with making those who comment about it look like they are circling vultures exploiting the victims of the massacre, that was ugly. Period.
It is brought up to save lives not to pounce on the tragedy for any political agenda as "opportunists".
We do not need an "opportunity" to discuss it and can discuss it anytime but the logic of it coming up in this thread was lost on some sadly.

[Ebunoluwa 6,136]

  On 10/4/2017 at 2:29 PM, Mr&Mrs G. said:

Where was your contempt for the same fellow VJ'ers that were more interested in using the victims as a political tool?

 

I have a ton of respect for the victims but I chose to call out those who use them for political gain and you pick out my comment. I suggest you go back and read all the other comments because I did before I posted mine.

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That's great and now extend the respect to fellow members who differ from your opinion and do not call them opportunists of a massacre to voice theirs.

[Mr&Mrs G. 903]

  On 10/4/2017 at 4:39 PM, smilesammich said:

that's terrible. are you ok?

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Trying to stay strong 

[Mr&Mrs G. 903]

  On 10/4/2017 at 4:45 PM, Ebunoluwa said:

That's great and now extend the respect to fellow members who differ from your opinion and do not call them opportunists of a massacre to voice theirs.

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Calling them opportunists is an opinion which I am entitled to have, unless there is a rule somewhere that says otherwise. 

[TBoneTX 46,423]

Several inappropriate posts have been removed.

[Merle 458]

  On 10/4/2017 at 3:58 PM, GandD said:

We can't really do without "lorries"

 

We could probably live without the sheer quantities of readily available weapons. 

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What would gun control laws do about the massive amounts of guns that already exist in this country? Confiscation?

[Sonea 138]

Both vehicular mass attacks and gun mass attacks are on the increase. Once an idea enters the public mind it reproduces almost like a virus. In couple more years, you won't be claiming that vehicular attacks are not common.

 

A great experiment would be to start suppressing the names of the attackers to see if there would be a reduction of attacks.

[Steeleballz 7,550]

  On 10/4/2017 at 4:26 PM, Bill & Katya said:

Getting doused with acid is minor?  I know I always treat that stuff with the proper PPE.

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  According to the reports the injuries were minor in the acid incident. Again, not to minimize, but all things being relative, we are comparing that to 59 people killed and hundreds injured by a single individual with firearms? Come on. Don't make me use the hammer to head emoticon on you.

 

 

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

  On 10/4/2017 at 4:27 PM, Bill & Katya said:

What about the attack in OK City?  Wasn't a truck used for that one as well?

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Mostly fertilizer 

[Ebunoluwa 6,136]

  On 10/4/2017 at 4:53 PM, Mr&Mrs G. said:

Calling them opportunists is an opinion which I am entitled to have, unless there is a rule somewhere that says otherwise. 

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You are as entitled to your opinion as much as I am to point out that it is disrespectful.
Just because I don't post daily here and just because I am in favor of tighter gun control does not make me an opportunist that relishes to have an opportunity
from a mass shooting. If I post it is to advocate for saving lives not to trample on them as an opportunity. Your choice of words struck me as provocative
labeling.
 

[CaliCat 3,957]

  On 10/4/2017 at 5:25 PM, Ebunoluwa said:

You are as entitled to your opinion as much as I am to point out that it is disrespectful.
Just because I don't post daily here and just because I am in favor of tighter gun control does not make me an opportunist that relishes to have an opportunity
from a mass shooting. If I post it is to advocate for saving lives not to trample on them as an opportunity. Your choice of words struck me as provocative
labeling.
 

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It seems to be a recurring theme, that whenever there is a tragedy like this take place. Decency is becoming passe.

[Mr&Mrs G. 903]

  On 10/4/2017 at 5:25 PM, Ebunoluwa said:

You are as entitled to your opinion as much as I am to point out that it is disrespectful.
Just because I don't post daily here and just because I am in favor of tighter gun control does not make me an opportunist that relishes to have an opportunity
from a mass shooting. If I post it is to advocate for saving lives not to trample on them as an opportunity. Your choice of words struck me as provocative
labeling.
 

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Bit of an over reaction to the word opportunist, but that would apply differently to different posters. 

 

Of course some will post with the best of intentions but at the same time there will be opportunists and I am not going to waste my time trawling through every page and call out each poster.

 

[Boiler 46,368]

There seems a commonality in that the usual suspects prefer to focus on things that have no chance of happening, would not be effective if they did but are designed to piss off as many people as possible.