Opinion: Puerto Rico Is American. We Can’t Ignore It Now.

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

8 hours ago, Daisy.Chain said:

I feel sorry for the Puerto Ricans affected this season. I have several friends who have yet to hear from their family members. 

 

However, the title of the post is saying that Puerto Rican is American. Puerto Rican is actually qualified American. If they want to be fully American including voting and representation in Congress, they also need to pay the full amount of taxes.

 

The U.S. has a unique relationship with PR - a territory but not a state. Most of my Puerto Rican friends are proud of being American, but also proud of being Puerto Rican. Some wish to be an autonomous country, others to be annexed as a state with all the regular rights. It's too bad that the discussion generally comes up only in tragic and catastrophic stories.

You hit the nail on the head. Time for the free ride to be over. I am sorry but if I have to prioritize relief between taxpayers and non taxpayers, guess who winns

 

That having been said, we are dying from old age waiting for one of the MDL to post actual evidence Trump ignored PR.

 

More fake news. Its all they got 

[Boiler 45,541]

3 hours ago, Bill & Katya said:

Apparently it was Obama that did squat for Puerto Rico.

The 8 wasted years.

[Ebunoluwa 6,136]

5 hours ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

You hit the nail on the head. Time for the free ride to be over. I am sorry but if I have to prioritize relief between taxpayers and non taxpayers, guess who winns

 

That having been said, we are dying from old age waiting for one of the MDL to post actual evidence Trump ignored PR.

 

More fake news. Its all they got 

Humanity must win.
Your statement of 'time for the free ride is over' is astonishing.
Yeah sure, let them rot and die because they don't pay enough taxes ? Seriously ?

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

23 minutes ago, Ebunoluwa said:

Humanity must win.
Your statement of 'time for the free ride is over' is astonishing.
Yeah sure, let them rot and die because they don't pay enough taxes ? Seriously ?

I am a pretty astonishing guy. However I never said we should let people die. I said time the free ride is over.

Just more fake news , throw something agianst the Trump wall and hope it sticks.

[Ebunoluwa 6,136]

36 minutes ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

I am a pretty astonishing guy. However I never said we should let people die. I said time the free ride is over.

Just more fake news , throw something agianst the Trump wall and hope it sticks.

Then clarify what you mean by the free ride is over. If we do not help many will die. How do you suppose they pay for the rescue ?
What fake news. There is no Trump wall so it won't be necessary to throw anything.

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

14 hours ago, Daisy.Chain said:

I feel sorry for the Puerto Ricans affected this season. I have several friends who have yet to hear from their family members. 

 

However, the title of the post is saying that Puerto Rican is American. Puerto Rican is actually qualified American. If they want to be fully American including voting and representation in Congress, they also need to pay the full amount of taxes.

 

The U.S. has a unique relationship with PR - a territory but not a state. Most of my Puerto Rican friends are proud of being American, but also proud of being Puerto Rican. Some wish to be an autonomous country, others to be annexed as a state with all the regular rights. It's too bad that the discussion generally comes up only in tragic and catastrophic stories.

I agree with the sentiment that this only comes up when there is bad news involved  

I think the title reflects Puerto Rico is an American Territory and that the Federal Government has a duty to step up.

But you are correct, Puerto Ricans are Citizens of Puerto Rico unless they choose to become the US Citizens

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

6 hours ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

You hit the nail on the head. Time for the free ride to be over. I am sorry but if I have to prioritize relief between taxpayers and non taxpayers, guess who winns

 

That having been said, we are dying from old age waiting for one of the MDL to post actual evidence Trump ignored PR.

 

More fake news. Its all they got 

There are more US Citizens paying taxes in Puerto Rico than in Iowa.  So the Taxypayer/Non-Taxpayer argument is weak. 

 

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

1 hour ago, Il Mango Dulce said:

There are more US Citizens paying taxes in Puerto Rico than in Iowa.  So the Taxypayer/Non-Taxpayer argument is weak. 

 

There are more US citizens pay taxes just in Texas than Puerto Rico , so your argument is weak

 

See how cherry picking straw arguments work, its the go to move of the MDL and usually goes about 1 page before someone causes this to happen

 

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

Just now, Nature Boy Flair said:

There are more US citizens pay taxes just in Texas than Puerto Rico , so your argument is weak

 

See how cherry picking straw arguments work, its the go to move of the MDL and usually goes about 1 page before someone causes this to happen

 

You are the one suggesting shirking our responsibility in PR. I would never suggest we leave a Wyomin, Texan or Iowan to fend for themselves, we shouldn't for Puerto Ricans either.

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

3 minutes ago, Il Mango Dulce said:

You are the one suggesting shirking our responsibility in PR. I would never suggest we leave a Wyomin, Texan or Iowan to fend for themselves, we shouldn't for Puerto Ricans either.

I never suggested that we not render hurricane aid. I said they need to start paying their fair share. 

[CaliCat 3,957]

3 hours ago, Il Mango Dulce said:

I agree with the sentiment that this only comes up when there is bad news involved  

I think the title reflects Puerto Rico is an American Territory and that the Federal Government has a duty to step up.

But you are correct, Puerto Ricans are Citizens of Puerto Rico unless they choose to become the US Citizens

 

That's incorrect. Puerto Ricans are Americans. You are an American at birth, if you're born in PR. It's not a matter of choice. They're as much an American as anyone else.

 

We must only surmise that the hesitancy by the part of the so-called president in extending aid to Americans in PR is due to his inability to act like the leader of a nation. Yet another indication of his unpreparedness for the job he aspires to hold. 

Edited September 27, 2017 by CaliCat

[Daisy.Chain 317]

3 hours ago, Il Mango Dulce said:

There are more US Citizens paying taxes in Puerto Rico than in Iowa.  So the Taxypayer/Non-Taxpayer argument is weak. 

 

Actually, Puerto Ricans pay many fewer taxes than regular US citizens..so it's not necessarily the number of people paying that is relevant, but the percentage of income paid. I read an article this week advising small business owners to move to Puerto Rico to pay a 5% tax instead of 35%

 

Edit: The article was directed towards small business owners, and the tax they were referring to was income tax.

Edited September 27, 2017 by Daisy.Chain

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

Just now, Daisy.Chain said:

Actually, Puerto Ricans pay many fewer taxes than regular US citizens..so it's not necessarily the number of people paying that is relevant, but the percentage of income paid. I read an article this week advising small business owners to move to Puerto Rico to pay a 5% tax instead of 35%

If they are US Citizens they are Americans.  We are there to support in any way possible and should not back away from that position when the rebuilding effort comes.  

[Dashinka 24,514]

33 minutes ago, CaliCat said:

 

That's incorrect. Puerto Ricans are Americans. You are an American at birth, if you're born in PR. It's not a matter of choice. They're as much an American as anyone else.

 

We must only surmise that the hesitancy by the part of the so-called president in extending aid to Americans in PR is due to his inability to act like the leader of a nation. Yet another indication of his unpreparedness for the job he aspires to hold. 

It is interesting, all the stories I have read say the supplies are flowing at least to the partially open ports and I believe the airport is up and running.  The governor of PR has praised this administration for its pre-planning and response so far.  Does  governor want more and want it faster?  Sure, that is always the case, but as with anything it takes time to clear the supply routes inland to get these to the more remote areas.  But of course this doesn't fit the narrative the Left Wing press or the DNC folks want to portray.

[CaliCat 3,957]

36 minutes ago, Daisy.Chain said:

Actually, Puerto Ricans pay many fewer taxes than regular US citizens..so it's not necessarily the number of people paying that is relevant, but the percentage of income paid. I read an article this week advising small business owners to move to Puerto Rico to pay a 5% tax instead of 35%

 

Edit: The article was directed towards small business owners, and the tax they were referring to was income tax.

 

Puerto Ricans are regular US citizens. They pay their taxes as does everyone else. If they pay less than others, it's something that may be looked into, but it should in no way or form determine the level or support and aid they receive from the country. In the context of their immediate needs, they are no different than TX, LA, or FL. 

Edited September 27, 2017 by CaliCat