Congrats America

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18 minutes ago, eieio said:

When all else fails, play the race card.  It has worked in the past and lefties are hoping it works this time too. 

 

I am am sure some stupid people will fall for it....but my sense is that normal citizens are long past fed up with the lies promoted by the mainstream media and other race baiter.

If by "normal citizens" you mean:

 

"White middle aged adults with only a high school diploma or less"

 

Then yes. Those Americans don't see race as an issue and are upset about the "mainstream media" conspiracy.

 

(This is based on the demographic of voters or supported Trump compared to Clinton)

Edited September 27, 2017 by bcking

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46 minutes ago, bcking said:

If by "normal citizens" you mean:

 

"White middle aged adults with only a high school diploma or less"

 

Then yes. Those Americans don't see race as an issue and are upset about the "mainstream media" conspiracy.

 

(This is based on the demographic of voters or supported Trump compared to Clinton)

I know a lot of folks that have a HS diploma or less and are much much smarter than people that have advanced degrees.  Schooling or lack thereof does not equate to intelligence.

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4 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

I know a lot of folks that have a HS diploma or less and are much much smarter than people that have advanced degrees.  Schooling or lack thereof does not equate to intelligence.

That can absolutely be true sometimes.

 

Fortunately, anecdotes and outliers don't tend to change trends.

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

and undedumacated  voters on public assistance vote for Hillary by  a astronomical margin. So your point is ?

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18 minutes ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

and undedumacated  voters on public assistance vote for Hillary by  a astronomical margin. So your point is ?

https://www.google.com/amp/www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/11/09/behind-trumps-victory-divisions-by-race-gender-education/%3famp=1

 

"In the 2016 election, a wide gap in presidential preferences emerged between those with and without a college degree. College graduates backed Clinton by a 9-point margin (52%-43%), while those without a college degree backed Trump 52%-44%. This is by far the widest gap in support among college graduates and non-college graduates in exit polls dating back to 1980"

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2 hours ago, eieio said:

When all else fails, play the race card.  It has worked in the past and lefties are hoping it works this time too. 

 

I am am sure some stupid people will fall for it....but my sense is that normal citizens are long past fed up with the lies promoted by the mainstream media and other race baiter.

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29 minutes ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

and undedumacated  voters on public assistance vote for Hillary by  a astronomical margin. So your point is ?

https://www.cbpp.org/research/poverty-and-inequality/poverty-reduction-programs-help-adults-lacking-college-degrees-the

 

Combine this study with the voter statistics I have already linked to.

 

Evidence for your claims is always useful...

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2 minutes ago, bcking said:

https://www.cbpp.org/research/poverty-and-inequality/poverty-reduction-programs-help-adults-lacking-college-degrees-the

 

Combine this study with the voter statistics I have already linked to.

 

Evidence for your claims is always useful...

Some of the most stupid I know went to Oxbridge, depends on how you measure it. They were good at exams. Think Sheldon.

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12 minutes ago, Boiler said:

Some of the most stupid I know went to Oxbridge, depends on how you measure it. They were good at exams. Think Sheldon.

I remember working with some folks with masters and PhDs that were completely oblivious when it came to actual intelligence regarding anything other than their schooling subject matter.

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35 minutes ago, Boiler said:

Some of the most stupid I know went to Oxbridge, depends on how you measure it. They were good at exams. Think Sheldon.

To me those examples point to a different issue. 

 

The traditional "hierarchical" structure of the University System is flawed. "Ivy League" and Oxbridge are no longer the "end all, be all" are don't always provide the best education, or recruit the best candidates. Though one caveat I would add is that, from what I know about Oxbridge (As an American I didn't apply), their "entry exams" aren't just tests that you can be "good at". A friend of my wife's who studied at St. Mary's and then All Souls College was telling us about some of her interview questions before and they were just strange. Logic problems, and even just "What do you see here?" when they give them a photograph of something and you just have to talk and they judge you. 

 

For our original topic - I did a quick search and couldn't find many recent studies of intelligence in College Graduates vs. High School only vs. No High School. I've found a few, but they have flaws. First off, they are all trying to compare IQ and IQ as a measure of intelligence has its own issues. Furthermore, they aren't even measuring IQ. Instead they are taking SAT scores and correlating them to IQ. I've also been unable to get to the original source literature, so these links just reference them so obviously I can't validate any of it.

 

https://brainsize.wordpress.com/2014/06/02/iq-years-of-education/

 

http://www.assessmentpsychology.com/iq.htm

 

 

Ultimately we are likely left merely with opinion. It is my opinion that, in general (not always), the level of education one can obtain correlates with intelligence, when access to educational opportunities are equal. 

 

 

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[The Nature Boy 7,659]

6 hours ago, bcking said:

https://www.cbpp.org/research/poverty-and-inequality/poverty-reduction-programs-help-adults-lacking-college-degrees-the

 

Combine this study with the voter statistics I have already linked to.

 

Evidence for your claims is always useful...

The Nature Boy does not provide evidence. He is evidence 

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3 hours ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

The Nature Boy does not provide evidence. He is evidence 

Of course, who are we to question the penultimate wisdom of N.B.?

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25 minutes ago, Il Mango Dulce said:

Of course, who are we to question the penultimate wisdom of N.B.?

Not me.

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9 hours ago, bcking said:

To me those examples point to a different issue. 

 

The traditional "hierarchical" structure of the University System is flawed. "Ivy League" and Oxbridge are no longer the "end all, be all" are don't always provide the best education, or recruit the best candidates. Though one caveat I would add is that, from what I know about Oxbridge (As an American I didn't apply), their "entry exams" aren't just tests that you can be "good at". A friend of my wife's who studied at St. Mary's and then All Souls College was telling us about some of her interview questions before and they were just strange. Logic problems, and even just "What do you see here?" when they give them a photograph of something and you just have to talk and they judge you. 

 

For our original topic - I did a quick search and couldn't find many recent studies of intelligence in College Graduates vs. High School only vs. No High School. I've found a few, but they have flaws. First off, they are all trying to compare IQ and IQ as a measure of intelligence has its own issues. Furthermore, they aren't even measuring IQ. Instead they are taking SAT scores and correlating them to IQ. I've also been unable to get to the original source literature, so these links just reference them so obviously I can't validate any of it.

 

https://brainsize.wordpress.com/2014/06/02/iq-years-of-education/

 

http://www.assessmentpsychology.com/iq.htm

 

 

Ultimately we are likely left merely with opinion. It is my opinion that, in general (not always), the level of education one can obtain correlates with intelligence, when access to educational opportunities are equal. 

 

 

 

Level of education does not necessarily correlates to intelligence, but it does speak to the overall formative circumstances of the individual. If there are any scenarios where an education is detrimental, those are most likely few and far in between, and most likely existent in other galaxies. 

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29 minutes ago, Il Mango Dulce said:

Of course, who are we to question the penultimate wisdom of N.B.?

Lol and extra points for using penultimate and making me use Google to reinforce my otherwise spectacular vocabulary.  Although I am not sure how my opinion being the next to the last one offered here is pertinate. Not Ashamed to say you made me look that up, but I don't think you used it correctly as far as I can tell.🤣