Questions regarding form I184 and I184A

[EstelleandJeremy 14]

hello everyone,

so i am helping my husband fill the form I184 because he is not good with paperworks. But i have a few questions regarding those forms.

We need a joint sponsor and it's gonna be his grandfather. they live in the same house so his grandfather should file the form I184A, right ?

On the form I184 A , they ask the relationship to the sponsor, should i pick parents ? 

on the form i184, part 5 sponsor's household size

"person not sponsored in this affidavit

2- if you are currently married enter 1 for your spouse" i am a bit confused by this question. because i am the person sponsored and also his spouse so i need to put 0 or 1 ?

 

Also they ask for the annual income, my husband lost his job recently so i am not sure what i am supposed to put there either . how much he has made so far or how much he is making now which is 0

and for the joint sponsor when they ask for the incomes it's the annual income, right ?

 

sorry for all those questions , our case got to nvc on january and because of the irs we have been stuck there for months and we are finally now able to fill the form.

i hope to be done with this by the end of the month.

 

thanks to anyone that will reply and help me.

 

Estelle

[Ryan H 3,812]

Lets get the semantics out of the way first, there are no such forms as I-184 and I-184A; the forms you are probably looking at are I-864 and I-864A.

 

Answers:

• The I-864A is for combining income only with qualified relatives residing at the same residence.  Qualifying relatives are spouse, children, and sibling.  The Petitioner and his grandfather would not be eligible to combine income.
• Petitioner's grandfather can act as a joint sponsor, he'll need to complete an I-864.  Petitioner will not count in grandfather's household size and grandfather will not count in petitioner's household size.
• The I-864 instructions clearly state not to count anyone twice, the answer to the question "are you currently married" is 0 because a spouse is being sponsored.
• Since the petitioner is unemployed, his annual income is $0.
• Grandfather as a Joint Sponsor will list whatever his annual income is.

[aleful 1,905]

hi

 

exactly, even if they live in the same house, he isn't a qualified relative to use the i864A, the household member needs to send proof of relationship

 

such as a copy of the marriage certificate if it is a spouse, or a birth certificate if it's a parent, older child or sibling

 

so your husband file an i864 as the primary sponsor and his grandfather files another i864 as his joint sponsor

 

they can't combine income, so if the grandfather doesn't make enough or have enough income, your husband will have to find another joint sponsor

 

 

Edited September 23, 2017 by aleful

[EstelleandJeremy 14]

Thanks for the replies. It helped a lot. And sorry for my mistakes when I typed it I was convinced it was I184 for some reason even though I had the form i864 in front of me.

 

He makes more than the 125% required. 

 

[EstelleandJeremy 14]

I have a couple more questions about the form,  on the part about the taxes they ask for total income (adjusted gross income)  his total income is around 40k but his adjusted gross income (what he pays taxes on) is 20k 

So for the taxes part I should put 20k?  And for his current annual income 40k? 

Or did I misunderstand something? 

[pushbrk 12,884]

On 9/23/2017 at 10:49 AM, EstelleandJeremy said:

Thanks for the replies. It helped a lot. And sorry for my mistakes when I typed it I was convinced it was I184 for some reason even though I had the form i864 in front of me.

 

He makes more than the 125% required. 

 

Your next question indicates, that perhaps he does not.  Either way, an "elderly" joint sponsor is not the best choice unless they are the only choice.  A Consular officer is going to make a judgement call based on the totality of circumstances, which include that an elderly sponsor may not be around to fulfill the obligations and that the petitioner has no current income.

[pushbrk 12,884]

6 hours ago, EstelleandJeremy said:

I have a couple more questions about the form,  on the part about the taxes they ask for total income (adjusted gross income)  his total income is around 40k but his adjusted gross income (what he pays taxes on) is 20k 

So for the taxes part I should put 20k?  And for his current annual income 40k? 

Or did I misunderstand something? 

To answer your questions we would need more information about the sources of Grandfather's income, and the name/number of the form he used.  If he has social security income, that counts in his total income but may need a calculation.  On the 1040 form, you are looking for line 22, "total income".  On the 1040a or ez, it's adjusted gross.  Assuming he has social security income, you would take the total income, minus the taxable social security income, if any, then plus the total social security income to arrive at the number to put with the year of the tax return.  His current income would be whatever it is, probably closer to or a little more than the 40k number on last year's tax return.

 

Edited September 27, 2017 by pushbrk