Almost Half of Millennials Would Apparently Give Up Their Right To Vote in Exchange for This One Thing

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

1 hour ago, Steeleballz said:

 

   Debtors prison was banned in 1833 and ruled unconstitutional in 1983 under the equal protection clause.

 

  Although after reading this article, I have to wonder.

So why are you equating not paying a traffic ticket to not paying off student loans???? I liked how the first paragraph was about this woman having to go to jail because of not paying off a medical bill, yet in the second paragraph they are talking about a woman who didn't pay a traffic ticket and got sent to jail. So if a woman was sued because she didn't go to a court date usually that means that if they successfully got a judgement against her that she was successfully served in order to go to court. But they are just nitpicking stories about what they want to tell and what information they will share with the reader. 

 

 

[Steeleballz 7,550]

1 minute ago, cyberfx1024 said:

So why are you equating not paying a traffic ticket to not paying off student loans???? 

 

   I did not. I am equating how people ended up in jail because of debt to how debtors prison historically worked. Do you think putting someone in jail for 7 weeks for an unpaid medical bill of $750 is actually conducive to getting the debt paid? 

 

 

3 minutes ago, cyberfx1024 said:

 I liked how the first paragraph was about this woman having to go to jail because of not paying off a medical bill, yet in the second paragraph they are talking about a woman who didn't pay a traffic ticket and got sent to jail. 

 

 

 

   Yes stories of several different people who are in jail related to unpaid bills or fines. That is the concept of debtor's prison.

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

8 hours ago, Steeleballz said:

 

   I did not. I am equating how people ended up in jail because of debt to how debtors prison historically worked. Do you think putting someone in jail for 7 weeks for an unpaid medical bill of $750 is actually conducive to getting the debt paid? 

   Yes stories of several different people who are in jail related to unpaid bills or fines. That is the concept of debtor's prison.

No, I do not think that putting someone in jail is going to get the debt paid at all. But if it is a medical debt no that person should not have to go to jail at all, but if it's a debt of not paying a traffic ticket then that is different. A unpaid ticket is pretty much like contempt of court and they can be jailed for that. Just like if a person does not pay child support then they can be jailed for that as well. 

[Steeleballz 7,550]

17 minutes ago, cyberfx1024 said:

No, I do not think that putting someone in jail is going to get the debt paid at all. But if it is a medical debt no that person should not have to go to jail at all, but if it's a debt of not paying a traffic ticket then that is different. A unpaid ticket is pretty much like contempt of court and they can be jailed for that. Just like if a person does not pay child support then they can be jailed for that as well. 

 

     

  The second one wasn't a traffic ticket though, the jail time was for failing to pay fees to a private probation company, not because of the traffic offense. The first one (the medical bill) was contempt of court, but the second one was private debt. 

 

   The thing I saw that jumped out at me according to the article, was they can be held in jail until they post bond or pay the debt. If they don't have the money in the first place, how are they going to do that? That's basically what debtors prison was, and the persons financial situation is not getting any better when they can't go to work and have other bills piling up. 

Edited September 18, 2017 by Steeleballz

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

30 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

     

  The second one wasn't a traffic ticket though, the jail time was for failing to pay fees to a private probation company, not because of the traffic offense. The first one (the medical bill) was contempt of court, but the second one was private debt. 

 The thing I saw that jumped out at me according to the article, was they can be held in jail until they post bond or pay the debt. If they don't have the money in the first place, how are they going to do that? That's basically what debtors prison was, and the persons financial situation is not getting any better when they can't go to work and have other bills piling up. 

Debra Shoemaker Ford, a citizen of Harpersville, Ala., spent seven weeks in the county jail without ever appearing in court. Her crime was a failure to pay the monthly fees mailed to her by a private probation company, called Judicial Correction Services. She was on probation because of a traffic violation.

 

She probably did appear before a magistrate and not a judge which in several states such as NC this is very much possible. She then probably had a bond limit that she couldn't pay and no one else wanted to help her pay to get her out. So yes, she did have a unpaid traffic ticket(who knows what's the violation) that in almost any state can and will get you thrown in jail depending on the officer. The only thing I don't like is that those probation companies are known to have a ####### ton of fees and it's high interest as well. But not as high as what the IRS gives you if you owe back taxes. 

Edited September 18, 2017 by cyberfx1024

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13 minutes ago, cyberfx1024 said:

Debra Shoemaker Ford, a citizen of Harpersville, Ala., spent seven weeks in the county jail without ever appearing in court. Her crime was a failure to pay the monthly fees mailed to her by a private probation company, called Judicial Correction Services. She was on probation because of a traffic violation.

 

She probably did appear before a magistrate and not a judge which in several states such as NC this is very much possible. She then probably had a bond limit that she couldn't pay and no one else wanted to help her pay to get her out. So yes, she did have a unpaid traffic ticket(who knows what's the violation) that in almost any state can and will get you thrown in jail depending on the officer. The only thing I don't like is that those probation companies are known to have a ####### ton of fees and it's high interest as well. But not as high as what the IRS gives you if you owe back taxes. 

I agree what you mean about the fees.  For some reason a traffic violation for speeding in Michigan (10-19 mph over) or running a stop sign/traffic light is 2 points and ~$120 dollars.  If they issue a ticket for Impeding (catch-all for pretty much anything) it is 0 points, but the fee jumps up to ~$150.  Katya got a ticket for failure to follow a traffic control device (police officer said she initiated the turn after the blinking yellow arrow turned red, and she says it was definitely yellow).  Since this was two points on her relatively new license, we decided to challenge it.  We went to court and here you meet with a municipal attorney.  He offered to knock it down to impeding and it was funny listening to him try and justify the additional fine.

[Steeleballz 7,550]

3 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

I agree what you mean about the fees.  For some reason a traffic violation for speeding in Michigan (10-19 mph over) or running a stop sign/traffic light is 2 points and ~$120 dollars.  If they issue a ticket for Impeding (catch-all for pretty much anything) it is 0 points, but the fee jumps up to ~$150.  Katya got a ticket for failure to follow a traffic control device (police officer said she initiated the turn after the blinking yellow arrow turned red, and she says it was definitely yellow).  Since this was two points on her relatively new license, we decided to challenge it.  We went to court and here you meet with a municipal attorney.  He offered to knock it down to impeding and it was funny listening to him try and justify the additional fine.

 

   Unfortunately somewhere on the line, justice became equated with revenue. The last fine I had to pay was a stop light cam. My tire was just enough over the stop line to trigger the camera. A few days later a guy in the lane next to me sped right through the red light and from what I heard, he will pay the exact same fine as me. They say the camera lights are to improve safety but there was an article recently that there are more accidents now from people slamming on breaks when the light turns yellow than there ever were before. No one will convince me that it's about anything but the money.

[Steeleballz 7,550]

31 minutes ago, cyberfx1024 said:

Debra Shoemaker Ford, a citizen of Harpersville, Ala., spent seven weeks in the county jail without ever appearing in court. Her crime was a failure to pay the monthly fees mailed to her by a private probation company, called Judicial Correction Services. She was on probation because of a traffic violation.

 

She probably did appear before a magistrate and not a judge which in several states such as NC this is very much possible. She then probably had a bond limit that she couldn't pay and no one else wanted to help her pay to get her out. So yes, she did have a unpaid traffic ticket(who knows what's the violation) that in almost any state can and will get you thrown in jail depending on the officer. The only thing I don't like is that those probation companies are known to have a ####### ton of fees and it's high interest as well. But not as high as what the IRS gives you if you owe back taxes. 

 

     So they were both contempt of court I guess, but still it seems excessive for someone to sit in jail for weeks over $750 dollars.  Plus the longer they sit in jail, loss of income plus bills accruing means the less likely they can afford to pay the fines anyway. 

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5 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

   Unfortunately somewhere on the line, justice became equated with revenue. The last fine I had to pay was a stop light cam. My tire was just enough over the stop line to trigger the camera. A few days later a guy in the lane next to me sped right through the red light and from what I heard, he will pay the exact same fine as me. They say the camera lights are to improve safety but there was an article recently that there are more accidents now from people slamming on breaks when the light turns yellow than there ever were before. No one will convince me that it's about anything but the money.

I still have a real issue with stop-light and speed cameras.  I know this has been decided (since they are still here), but it is still in my opinion a violation of constitutional rights.

[Steeleballz 7,550]

4 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

I still have a real issue with stop-light and speed cameras.  I know this has been decided (since they are still here), but it is still in my opinion a violation of constitutional rights.

 

   I would be OK with it if I felt it was about safety, but I'm certain it's not. I swear too that the lights with traffic cams here also have the shortest yellow lights of any I've ever seen. If anything it's actually decreasing safety so they can increase revenue.

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7 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

   I would be OK with it if I felt it was about safety, but I'm certain it's not. I swear too that the lights with traffic cams here also have the shortest yellow lights of any I've ever seen. If anything it's actually decreasing safety so they can increase revenue.

I wonder how they will continue to get revenue with self-driving cars?

[TBoneTX 46,452]

1 hour ago, Steeleballz said:

No one will convince me that it's about anything but the money.

At all times, the State is interested in two things only:  Revenue (fines), and Bodies (arrests).

[Ban Hammer 13,752]

1 hour ago, Steeleballz said:

 

   Unfortunately somewhere on the line, justice became equated with revenue.

it's certainly becoming that way - right along with the forfeiture laws without due process.

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

1 hour ago, Steeleballz said:

 

   I would be OK with it if I felt it was about safety, but I'm certain it's not. I swear too that the lights with traffic cams here also have the shortest yellow lights of any I've ever seen. If anything it's actually decreasing safety so they can increase revenue.

I hate the traffic cams just for that reason alone. It has been proven that a large number of intersections with Red Light cameras they have actually SHORTEN the yellow caution light to get more tickets and thus more money. 

2 hours ago, Steeleballz said:

 

     So they were both contempt of court I guess, but still it seems excessive for someone to sit in jail for weeks over $750 dollars.  Plus the longer they sit in jail, loss of income plus bills accruing means the less likely they can afford to pay the fines anyway. 

I am saying the one with the traffic ticket, I don't know anything about civil court. 

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probably the same ones that would fall for this