Sessions rescinds DACA

[jayjayj 571]

1 hour ago, Transborderwife said:

Citizens and lprs

You are equating a U.S. citizen bringing their spouse to America, with DACA recipients who entered the U.S. illegally?  That is outrageous!  I would love to hear you elaborate on this argument.

[Boiler 44,852]

Another false equivalency?

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

4 hours ago, Transborderwife said:

So someone comes on a k1 and something happens they overstay, they should be deported as well?

If you could be more specific about a "something happens" example, I would be glad to discuss this with you.

[Boiler 44,852]

The only something usually is that they have a way to adjust.

[Dashinka 24,108]

8 hours ago, IDWAF said:

If you could be more specific about a "something happens" example, I would be glad to discuss this with you.

I know what you mean.  I am sure there might be a specific situation that might be relevant, but the rules say if you come in on a K1 your only legal way to stay beyond the 90 days is to get married to the USC/LPR that petitioned for said K1.  Otherwise, it is basically a 90 day single entry visitor visa and you have to leave or face deportation if you overstay.

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

On 9/15/2017 at 7:11 AM, jayjayj said:

You are equating a U.S. citizen bringing their spouse to America, with DACA recipients who entered the U.S. illegally?  That is outrageous!  I would love to hear you elaborate on this argument.

What is the difference? 

Overstay and illegal entry both break US immigration law.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

45 minutes ago, Il Mango Dulce said:

What is the difference? 

Overstay and illegal entry both break US immigration law.

The difference is that the first one intended to break the law.  The second one is a result of circumstances, such as not knowing they did anything wrong.  Also, the second one is not necessarily a deportable offense.  The first one always is.

[Dashinka 24,108]

8 minutes ago, IDWAF said:

The difference is that the first one intended to break the law.  The second one is a result of circumstances, such as not knowing they did anything wrong.  Also, the second one is not necessarily a deportable offense.  The first one always is.

Much like people that come on a visitor visa with the intention of adjusting somehow vs someone without the intention, but circumstances changed.  One is illegal and one is not.

[jayjayj 571]

1 hour ago, Il Mango Dulce said:

What is the difference? 

Overstay and illegal entry both break US immigration law.

I never mentioned anything about "overstaying".  

 

Regardless, there is no comparison, ever, between a U.S. citizen attempting to bring their spouse to the U.S. and DACA recipients.  One is codified by law and the other is an illegal alien who broke the law by entering the U.S. illegally.

[Ban Hammer 13,109]

3 hours ago, Il Mango Dulce said:

What is the difference? 

Overstay and illegal entry both break US immigration law.

the difference is one did not enter with inspection.............

[spookyturtle 9,465]

3 hours ago, IDWAF said:

The difference is that the first one intended to break the law.  The second one is a result of circumstances, such as not knowing they did anything wrong.  Also, the second one is not necessarily a deportable offense.  The first one always is.

I'd argue that most overstays are not the results of circumstances. People who enter legally and overstay know that they are violating the terms of their entry.

[Dashinka 24,108]

27 minutes ago, spookyturtle said:

I'd argue that most overstays are not the results of circumstances. People who enter legally and overstay know that they are violating the terms of their entry.

And they should be subject to removal.

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

5 hours ago, IDWAF said:

The difference is that the first one intended to break the law.  The second one is a result of circumstances, such as not knowing they did anything wrong.  Also, the second one is not necessarily a deportable offense.  The first one always is.

The law does not look at it that way.  You break the law, you break the law.  I hear that in this forum all the time. From a practical standpoint, overstays are a far outstripping the number of border crossers with roughly a half a million overstays a year. 

I would prefer to call both classes of "illegals" what they are: undocumented.

 

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

 

5 hours ago, Bill & Katya said:

Much like people that come on a visitor visa with the intention of adjusting somehow vs someone without the intention, but circumstances changed.  One is illegal and one is not.

Not true.

[Dashinka 24,108]

1 minute ago, Il Mango Dulce said:

 

Not true.

What is not true?

3 minutes ago, Il Mango Dulce said:

The law does not look at it that way.  You break the law, you break the law.  I hear that in this forum all the time. From a practical standpoint, overstays are a far outstripping the number of border crossers with roughly a half a million overstays a year. 

I would prefer to call both classes of "illegals" what they are: undocumented.

 

I would prefer to call both classes illegal.