Sessions rescinds DACA

[Ebunoluwa 6,136]

2 hours ago, IDWAF said:

Man, this smacks DIRECTLY of one user trying to take away from another user's enjoyment of the site.  Pretty sure that is a violation of the TOS.  

 Fancy way to throw bait and then point a finger. As a neutral observer I see no TOS violation but a subtle yet provocative dance on the edge

on your part.

Back to topic.

1. DACA get GC, those who meet more rigorous criteria and serious vetting perhaps citizenship so we don't have a sub culture of non citizen.

2. More funds for and better border protection but heck, no wall.
3. Parents of DACA kids stay, renew an application with a penalty fee every 6 months to stay on case by case basis. Fee and criteria to be set.
4. Little post DACA kids stay and get GC after vetting and meeting criteria.
5. Commit a crime / felony and your butt is gone. Deported. One chance.

 

I am against open borders but for humanity, there is a middle way that is logical besides a black and white solution.
Sick and tired of 'I had to go through this and that and stand in line talk' who cares, cry me a river.
If anyone here could complain about how long we had to and are still standing in line, it would be me and I am not complaining.
Just because I have to stand in long lines doesn't mean anyone else should.
Neither should anyone get a total free ride and must be thoroughly vetted in matters of security and fraud, that's a no brainer.
 Laws must be followed but life and humanity and times are fluid and laws can be adjusted when a better way can be found, why is that so scary ?
Rigid adherence to certain outdated laws is not always going to be the right thing to do. That's when congress comes together and makes a better law.
So what's the problem with all the DACA whinery. It shouldn't drive anyone to drink and it really isn't that complicated.
Let's move on to decent health care in this country and tax reform and infrastructure and stop nit picking on the small stuff.
Geez Louise.

If done right it will not set an incentive for future repeats of parents bringing kids here because the increased and better border protection

will prevent that. Fine employers, enforce that law already in place. No jobs = less undocumented. What would draw them here if they can't
get hired to make a living. Fine the employers with more than a slap on the hand.
 

Edited September 9, 2017 by Ebunoluwa

[Boiler 44,855]

Obviously the forst thing before anything else can be done is to stop the flow, nobody believes what politicians say they will do, why should we change now?

[Ebunoluwa 6,136]

http://ky.aflcio.org/news/cbs-news-foreign-workers-being-used-build-auto-plants-us

 

The fraud in hiring of Eastern European (yes, European, not Mexicans ) for car plants is getting out of hand and is not well known.
Instead of fussing about DACA kids, how about fixing this mess ?

[Ebunoluwa 6,136]

3 minutes ago, Boiler said:

Obviously the forst thing before anything else can be done is to stop the flow, nobody believes what politicians say they will do, why should we change now?

If it is first or last or by multitasking things must get done. I am not throwing in the towel and believe congress will get it right eventually.
The USA has seen tougher times than this and made it through just fine.

[Boiler 44,855]

4 minutes ago, Ebunoluwa said:

If it is first or last or by multitasking things must get done. I am not throwing in the towel and believe congress will get it right eventually.
The USA has seen tougher times than this and made it through just fine.

First, get some credibility, after that anything is possible.

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

At midnight I want everyone to report each other. 

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

1 hour ago, Ebunoluwa said:

 Fancy way to throw bait and then point a finger. As a neutral observer I see no TOS violation but a subtle yet provocative dance on the edge

on your part.
 

Ok, I'll bite... whom and how did I bait?

 

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

1 hour ago, Boiler said:

First, get some credibility, after that anything is possible.

Not sure who needs credibility

[Ebunoluwa 6,136]

28 minutes ago, IDWAF said:

Ok, I'll bite... whom and how did I bait?

 

 

The one you spoke of here:
Man, this smacks DIRECTLY of one user trying to take away from another user's enjoyment of the site.  Pretty sure that is a violation of the TOS.

 

 

[Ebunoluwa 6,136]

34 minutes ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

At midnight I want everyone to report each other. 

That reminds me of a good bowling game. All the pins fall at the same time.
Brilliant idea.    Good night all !

[Boiler 44,855]

27 minutes ago, Il Mango Dulce said:

Not sure who needs credibility

[Tahoma 2,291]

2 hours ago, Boiler said:

Trump: "Thank goodness someone has lower ratings than ME!!!"

[TBoneTX 44,659]

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[jayjayj 571]

5 hours ago, Ebunoluwa said:

 Fancy way to throw bait and then point a finger. As a neutral observer I see no TOS violation but a subtle yet provocative dance on the edge

on your part.

Back to topic.

1. DACA get GC, those who meet more rigorous criteria and serious vetting perhaps citizenship so we don't have a sub culture of non citizen. - You will always have LPR's, they get most of the benefits of citizenship being an LPR.

2. More funds for and better border protection but heck, no wall. - Why no wall?  If it provides better border protection, why should it be off the table?  Just because it was a campaign promise?
3. Parents of DACA kids stay, renew an application with a penalty fee every 6 months to stay on case by case basis. Fee and criteria to be set. - Totally disagree.  The parents brought them here illegally.  They made that choice and should get no reward for it.  As LPR's, DACA recipients will have no problem visiting their family members in other countries.  People make hard choices to go work in other states, other countries, or go to school somewhere else all the time.  This thought only applies to DACA recipients who are now adults.  I really can't come up with a solution that is fair for the others at the moment.
4. Little post DACA kids stay and get GC after vetting and meeting criteria. - Little post DACA kids return with or to their family.  Allowing them to stay not only encourages illegal immigration it encourages human trafficking of children.
5. Commit a crime / felony and your butt is gone. Deported. One chance. - Agreed!

 

I am against open borders but for humanity, there is a middle way that is logical besides a black and white solution.
Sick and tired of 'I had to go through this and that and stand in line talk' who cares, cry me a river.
If anyone here could complain about how long we had to and are still standing in line, it would be me and I am not complaining.
Just because I have to stand in long lines doesn't mean anyone else should. - Most people complaining about lines aren't complaining about the length they stood in them, even though it is usually way too long, they are instead complaining that DACA recipients and the people who brought them here didn't stand in any line at all when they initially came here.  You shouldn't be so dismissive about that, because it is a valid point.  Dismissing it leads to people building emotional walls and degenerates the conversation.
Neither should anyone get a total free ride and must be thoroughly vetted in matters of security and fraud, that's a no brainer.
 Laws must be followed but life and humanity and times are fluid and laws can be adjusted when a better way can be found, why is that so scary ? - It isn't scary.  Very few people will argue against an immigration overhaul - it is the details of that overhaul that people will argue about.
Rigid adherence to certain outdated laws is not always going to be the right thing to do. That's when congress comes together and makes a better law. - Our immigration laws aren't outdated, they simply haven't been enforced.  Law seem outdated when they aren't properly enforced.  Immigration reform should happen though.  We should all get behind the RAISE Act.
So what's the problem with all the DACA whinery. It shouldn't drive anyone to drink and it really isn't that complicated.
Let's move on to decent health care in this country and tax reform and infrastructure and stop nit picking on the small stuff. - Immigration isn't small stuff to the hundreds of thousands of people who either don't have jobs, have had their wages suppressed by illegal immigration, or have unfortunately lost a loved one because someone here illegally murdered them.    
Geez Louise.

If done right it will not set an incentive for future repeats of parents bringing kids here because the increased and better border protection

will prevent that. Fine employers, enforce that law already in place. No jobs = less undocumented. What would draw them here if they can't
get hired to make a living. Fine the employers with more than a slap on the hand. - This is what we hear every time we get into an amnesty conversation.  When does it really end?  I do agree with fining employers of illegal immigrants, but that should be extended to private citizens, not just companies, who hire day workers to cut their grass or do other manual labor for them.  I'm thinking a fine of 10% of their gross annual income would deter them.  
 

 

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

5 hours ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

At midnight I want everyone to report each other. 

Darn I was joking.