Sessions rescinds DACA

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Donald Trump 'wasn't aware what scrapping DACA would mean' before deciding fate of 800,000 people

Officials expressed the concern as late as an hour before the policy was announced

• Clark Mindock New York 
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• 3 hours ago
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The President reportedly didn't have a firm grasp on the consequences of a DACA repeal AFP/Getty Images

White House officials have raised concerns that Donald Trump didn’t completely grasp the implications of ending the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program before he made a decision about its future.

Administration officials privately fretted that Mr Trump may have not understood exactly what effects rescinding DACA could have, according to a report from the New York Times.

Mr Trump’s administration has since then has attempted to cede responsibility for the policy, and said that it is now up to Congress to determine a legislative future for the program. Since its implementation in 2012, as many as 800,000 young undocumented immigrants in the US have applied for the protected status, which grants work visas to people who came to the United States illegally at a very young age

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4 minutes ago, Il Mango Dulce said:

The thinking behind no citizenship? I mean taxation and representation are linked in our ethos. If you choose to mantain your home ties OK but this is their home. 

I am ok with no citizenship for DACA honestly. They are just like every other green card holder and are able to get social security, representation, and almost any other thing that a green card holder can have. I do like if they are ever convicted of a crime then they can be deported. 

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Just now, Il Mango Dulce said:

Then there's this

 

1. News
2. World
3. Americas
4. US politics

Donald Trump 'wasn't aware what scrapping DACA would mean' before deciding fate of 800,000 people

Officials expressed the concern as late as an hour before the policy was announced

• Clark Mindock New York 
• @ClarkMindock 
• 3 hours ago
• 4 comments

 

The President reportedly didn't have a firm grasp on the consequences of a DACA repeal AFP/Getty Images

White House officials have raised concerns that Donald Trump didn’t completely grasp the implications of ending the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program before he made a decision about its future.

Administration officials privately fretted that Mr Trump may have not understood exactly what effects rescinding DACA could have, according to a report from the New York Times.

Mr Trump’s administration has since then has attempted to cede responsibility for the policy, and said that it is now up to Congress to determine a legislative future for the program. Since its implementation in 2012, as many as 800,000 young undocumented immigrants in the US have applied for the protected status, which grants work visas to people who came to the United States illegally at a very young age

I thought we were going to talk without the spin???? So the hell did you throw this in here?

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4 minutes ago, Il Mango Dulce said:

The thinking behind no citizenship? I mean taxation and representation are linked in our ethos. If you choose to mantain your home ties OK but this is their home. 

No vote neutralizes the greedy self interests each party has for getting this done. They can pay taxes like the rest of us. I don't see being a legal permanent resident as a punishment. They will have legal status with 99% of the benefits of citizenship.

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3 minutes ago, spookyturtle said:

No vote neutralizes the greedy self interests each party has for getting this done. They can pay taxes like the rest of us. I don't see being a legal permanent resident as a punishment. They will have legal status with 99% of the benefits of citizenship.

+1

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Forget bashing Trump and Obama. What do my fellow VJ'ers think is a good way to deal with this?

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5 hours ago, Il Mango Dulce said:

Microsoft vows to protect its Dreamers in court

by Julia Horowitz   @juliakhorowitzSeptember 5, 2017: 1:28 PM ET

Fascinating to see how Microsoft is willing to pony up $$$ to defend their DACA-registered employees but won't bother to sponsor them for "perm" status (green cards). Follow the money, as they say...

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1 minute ago, spookyturtle said:

Forget bashing Trump and Obama. What do my fellow VJ'ers think is a good way to deal with this?

I think the reason you're seeing so much bashing is because there really isn't a "good way" to handle this. If the feds allow DACA recipients to continue to register and extend their EAD's, it become de facto amnesty which encourages further illegal immigration. If they cancel it with a six-month "wind down" (what happened today), suddenly 800,000 people who were previously off of ICE's radar are suddenly front and center with a rich case file making them ripe for deportation, courtesy of USCIS. 

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25 minutes ago, Il Mango Dulce said:

The thinking behind no citizenship? I mean taxation and representation are linked in our ethos. If you choose to mantain your home ties OK but this is their home. 

Rewards criminal behaviour? AKA taking the piss.

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3 minutes ago, spookyturtle said:

Forget bashing Trump and Obama. What do my fellow VJ'ers think is a good way to deal with this?

I am pretty much on board with you on this. If you are a fully vetted DACA recipient then I am ok with giving them a path to permanent residency but no citizenship. 

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7 hours ago, Il Mango Dulce said:

This choice lacks any moral courage to do the right thing for the 800,000 youngsters who have their life put on hold after the Federal government asked them to come forward and enroll. 

No one asked them to enroll. They did so on their own terms and knew full well that the quasi-legal status their EAD card granted could be revoked when a new administration took over. Anyone who thinks otherwise is sorely mistaken. Enrollment in DACA was an active choice for each of those 800,000 individuals. 

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1 minute ago, cyberfx1024 said:

I am pretty much on board with you on this. If you are a fully vetted DACA recipient then I am ok with giving them a path to permanent residency but no citizenship. 

I have no problem with it either. I don't see it as a punishment, but I am interested in hearing the opinion of others. And I don't want to see a rush at the border from people looking for an easy way in. I know many of us here had a long hard journey to get our significant others here by following the rules.

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Just now, spookyturtle said:

I have no problem with it either. I don't see it as a punishment, but I am interested in hearing the opinion of others. And I don't want to see a rush at the border from people looking for an easy way in. I know many of us here had a long hard journey to get our significant others here by following the rules.

I completely agree with this as well. I am ok if they are certified DACA recipients and not someone who has been here for 5 minutes to get a green card. As long as they have been verified and passed the checks and balances that come with DACA.

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Just now, spookyturtle said:

I have no problem with it either. I don't see it as a punishment, but I am interested in hearing the opinion of others. And I don't want to see a rush at the border from people looking for an easy way in. I know many of us here had a long hard journey to get our significant others here by following the rules.

This is an interesting angle. Basically, you can become a LPR but there is zero chance you'll become a citizen. But honestly, for most folks there is not a whole lot of daylight between LPR and citizen status. Yes, you must be a citizen to hold office, get a federal/state job, etc. But I wonder if, on the surface, most illegal immigrants would be happy enough just to have a GC and go through the renewal process every 10 years?

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1 minute ago, narakthisud said:

This is an interesting angle. Basically, you can become a LPR but there is zero chance you'll become a citizen. But honestly, for most folks there is not a whole lot of daylight between LPR and citizen status. Yes, you must be a citizen to hold office, get a federal/state job, etc. But I wonder if, on the surface, most illegal immigrants would be happy enough just to have a GC and go through the renewal process every 10 years?

I know legal immigrants who are happy with a Green Card and have no intent to apply for citizenship. I would think an illegal immigrant would take that over the possibility of being deported.