Sessions rescinds DACA

[Dashinka 24,436]

Just now, smilesammich said:

I don't disagree that having Congress act might be laughable, but that is our Constitution.  Are you suggesting we should trash the Constitution

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

Do you realize that DACA is what actually might tear their families apart?  Keeping kids here while deporting parents is the very definition of being torn apart.  Sending the kids to their countries of birth with their parents would actually do more to keep the family together (albeit not in a place they WANT to be).  

 

1 hour ago, Teddy B said:

For most it is about discrimination and/or hostility. There's really no other way to explain why someone would be against DACA without being discriminant to the people in the program and/or hostile by wanting to tear their families apart and send these people away from the only country they've ever really known all the while through no fault of their own.

 

So say a family of 4 live in an apartment.  The parents choose to buy "stuff" and neglect to pay the rent.  The landlord forgives it for a month or two, but eventually he must either collect rent or kick them out, right?  So he kicks them out that he may get a new renter who actually pays the rent.

 

Would anyone argue that the kids did nothing wrong, and deserve to stay in the house, that only the parents should be expelled?  Would you, as the incoming renter, be ok with the kids living under your roof?

[jayjayj 571]

1 minute ago, Teddy B said:

By "they", if you mean the adults, yes they did break the law if they entered the US illegally.

No, I mean any human being who illegally crossed the border.  

[smilesammich 10,727]

3 minutes ago, cyberfx1024 said:

As I stated previously on here and haven't gotten a meaningful response back. What kind of Immigration Reform are we talking about. I want some specific details you want to see happen.

why me? and what does my opinion on immigration have to do with sessions rescinding daca? seems to me like conservatives/trump supporters always want to point the finger and scream "YOU WANT OPEN BORDERS" so the convo gets completely shut down. sorry, but i'm not interested.

[jayjayj 571]

1 minute ago, smilesammich said:

why me? and what does my opinion on immigration have to do with sessions rescinding daca? seems to me like conservatives/trump supporters always want to point the finger and scream "YOU WANT OPEN BORDERS" so the convo gets completely shut down. sorry, but i'm not interested.

Your opinion matters more than you know. So what kind of meaningful immigration reform do you want?  

[smilesammich 10,727]

3 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

I don't disagree that having Congress act might be laughable, but that is our Constitution.  Are you suggesting we should trash the Constitution

and here we go..

Just now, jayjayj said:

Your opinion matters more than you know.   

explain it to me like i'm five. i'm really shy about sharing my opinions, see.

[smilesammich 10,727]

23 minutes ago, Teddy B said:

 

Looks like somebody has a man crush!!

talk about a throw back!!! 

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

Sadly, it is all that some have, since they lack any logical reasoning.  Happens on both sides of most debates here, however.

 

1 hour ago, jayjayj said:

Again with the GIF's????

 

[jayjayj 571]

2 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

and here we go..

explain it to me like i'm five. i'm really shy about sharing my opinions, see.

Watch some Mr. Rodgers on YouTube, then come back and post away. 

[smilesammich 10,727]

Just now, IDWAF said:

Sadly, it is all that some have, since they lack any logical reasoning.  Happens on both sides of most debates here, however.

 

 

seriously? 

 

say a family rents a treehouse. instead of paying the electric bill they use their cash money as papertowels to make a second roof for the treehouse. the kids are hungry and the forestry service is tired of their littering the joint up with wet rags. do the kids get to eat or does the park ranger shoot the youngest?

[smilesammich 10,727]

2 minutes ago, jayjayj said:

Watch some Mr. Rodgers on YouTube, then come back and post away. 

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

1 hour ago, jayjayj said:

They came here with no fault, but the moment they stayed after turning 18, it became their fault.  Are any DACA recipients still under the age of 18?

Theoretically, the youngest to qualify under the Obama "kick this can down the road", "I don't have the right to change the laws put into place by congress", DACA thing could be 10 and some change today.  Assuming they arrived prior to 15 June 2007 at the tender age of a month or two and never left.  I read the average age is 22.  The oldest would be 35.  That would put the majority over 18, statistically speaking, though I have not seen the raw numbers myself.

[jayjayj 571]

6 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

9 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

I don't disagree that having Congress act might be laughable, but that is our Constitution.  Are you suggesting we should trash the Constitution

and here we go..

Oh that pesky Constitution.  It's so horrible when someone mentions it, isn't it?

[smilesammich 10,727]

Just now, jayjayj said:

Oh that pesky Constitution.  It's so horrible when someone mentions it, isn't it?

ikr. and here i thought obummer already torched it.

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

19 minutes ago, Mrs. Wild said:

The Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996 is the policy that gave us 3yr and 10yr bans. It also drastically changed the reasons anyone was targeted for deportation. Prior to this, we had less visa overstay immigrants bulking up the illegal presence population. 

 

The kind of restrictive policies that target people based on what they look like.  For example, the "show me your paper" policies that keep failing, the disaster that happens when we restrict Mexican laborers from coming here to work and then realize Americans don't want to pick fruit 12hrs a day in hot weather. 

 

I am not in favor of broad open borders allowing people to come in and out without being "properly vetted". That's dangerous for any country. I am in favor of making the vetting process more accessible to immigrants, to cut down on people circumventing the system to escape their conditions. The more we criminalize a thing, the more people will work hard to try to get around it--this is not to say they are criminals, they may simply be DESPERATE. And please don't kid yourself by believing you would do differently if there was no food or clean water in your country, or medicine, or your country is ravaged by war, etc etc etc.

 

We like to help cause problems worldwide, but then we also like to close our doors to those in need. It's NIMBYism on a national scale.

We restrict Mexican Laborers to come here???? First time I have heard of that. Actually last I heard they additional spots for that visa to allow MORE people to come under the H2A visa. So don't come at me with that BS, because google is my BFF. Also if they are restricting people coming under seasonal work visas then how did my neice get one and is here in the USA now working? 

http://modernfarmer.com/2017/05/h-2a-visa-temporary-foreign-farm-workers-on-the-rise/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/07/17/trump-officials-order-15000-new-visas-for-low-wage-workers/?utm_term=.d28ef531b7b4

 

You think I haven't seen a 3rd world country???? Sister, I used to live in the Middle East and I have been around the whole ME and SE Asia region. My wife is from one of the poorest, war torn island, and province in the Philippines. She grew up literally "Dirt Floor Poor", and I happily lived there with her and her family.with no problems at all. So don't come at me with some holier than thou BS because that ain't flying with me at all. 

 

So what problem did we cause worldwide that we are closing our doors to now?

Edited September 7, 2017 by cyberfx1024