Sessions rescinds DACA

[smilesammich 10,727]

1 minute ago, jayjayj said:

I couldn't care less how many people he deported.  I just want to know how many illegal immigrants make up "a ton".

if you couldn't care less about how many, you don't care about what makes up a ton.

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

9 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

how are you going to feel when your kids grow up and are adults and racially profiled? what if they live somewhere with an awesome sheriff like the 'good guy' arpaio who rounds 'hispanic looking' people up and detains them at his whim? are you raising your kids to always carry their papers? they're american citizens so they shouldn't even need papers, correct? asking these questions isn't insinuating that you're racist, it's just this is what 'people who look mexican' have to deal with in this country. 

I am raising my children to be self respecting contributing members of society. That means that they know their history and know that they won't take no ####### from anyone. Also living out here in California you can pretty much tell the people you need to stereotype because on average they don't speak English well at all, and can only conversate in Spanish or Mandarin. 

Edited September 7, 2017 by cyberfx1024

[smilesammich 10,727]

1 minute ago, jayjayj said:

You said you didn't call him a racist and then you said he was sensitive about being called a racist.  Did someone else call him a racist or did you have a Freudian slip?

you're trying way too hard bro. ask him, he was talking about another internet convo he had where someone called him a racist.

[Mrs. Wild 87]

Just now, cyberfx1024 said:

So how is it outdated? Please enlighten us on how it's outdated? The last revision is from the 90's. 

Yes... The very restrictive policy that gave us the bans. It's frustrating that people still think criminalizing behaviors is going to make people less likely to enact them. In this day and age? So little understanding of human behavior. The immigration itself has declined, but the number of people illegally here went way up. The number of people leaving declined. Why leave if you can't get back in? You want them to leave and do things the right way? Don't close down the avenues for them to do so.

[Dashinka 24,420]

1 minute ago, Teddy B said:

No we don't need open borders, i've never said anything of the sort.

 

I believe you are comparing apples to oranges here Bill. Were said people who were "deported for whatever reason" brought here as children by their parents or other adults or did they enter the country of their volition?

 

Where in DACA does it say the parents are to be deported?

It doesn't, but DACA gives no protection to the parents does it?  And it still doesn't address the children that are brought here since 2007.  Has this practice stopped since then?

[jayjayj 571]

3 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

if you couldn't care less about how many, you don't care about what makes up a ton.

I don't care how many were deported.  That doesn't mean I'm not completely enthralled by how many illegal immigrants make up "a ton".  Two completely different things.  You can just estimate if you don't know the exact number, just ballpark it.

Edited September 7, 2017 by jayjayj

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

8 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

seems to me cyber gets pretty emotional about getting called a racist and also his children (which is totally understandable)

Yeah it does pretty much piss me off to no end especially when someone who does not know me or take the time to even look at my FB profile call me a racist on FB. 

[smilesammich 10,727]

Just now, cyberfx1024 said:

I am raising my children to be self respecting contributing members of society. That means that they know their history and know that they won't take no ####### from anyone. 

not sure how that answers any of my questions. i have hispanic cousins, american citizens by birth. they are self respectivng contributing members of society and they know their history. if they get rounded up in texas for not having papers, should they simply 'not take it"? like, those illegally detained hispanics by arpaio - they should have fought back?

[TBoneTX 45,076]

Points flowing through the discussion:

1.  The DACA children are innocent, not having had a say when their parents brought them.

2.  This is largely or definitely the only country they've ever known.

3.  It would be cruel to deport them.

4.  The parents came illegally.

5.  The parents wanted a better life for their children.

 

Therefore, consider returning to the proposal suggested by the guy with whom I discussed this when DACA was implemented:  "Sure, kid, you can apply for DACA -- if you submit your illegal parents for deportation."  Add to this, "...and your DACA case will proceed through the system when your illegal parents are confirmed to have been deported.  You will not be able to sponsor them; and, after they serve their own ban, they must requalify for legal entry on their own merits."

[Dashinka 24,420]

3 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

to my knowledge there's no real legal avenue for those people to stay atm.

You are right, DACA is not a legal avenue for legal immigration as written, but since it was applied based on a specific date, wouldn't it have to be continually updated to cover those that have been brought here since?

[jayjayj 571]

Just now, smilesammich said:

not sure how that answers any of my questions. i have hispanic cousins, american citizens by birth. they are self respectivng contributing members of society and they know their history. if they get rounded up in texas for not having papers, should they simply 'not take it"? like, those illegally detained hispanics by arpaio - they should have fought back?

Are there American citizens being deported to other countries?  Has that been happening a lot in the last few years?  

[Teddy B 17,252]

Just now, Bill & Katya said:

It doesn't, but DACA gives no protection to the parents does it?  And it still doesn't address the children that are brought here since 2007.  Has this practice stopped since then?

As I said earlier, I have no problem with holding the people (parents) responsible who actually broke the laws. If that does in fact at some time equate to deportation, then the families will have a very tough decision to make, but I am not going to hold under aged children responsible for the actions of their parents or other adults that brought them here.

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

2 minutes ago, Mrs. Wild said:

Yes... The very restrictive policy that gave us the bans. It's frustrating that people still think criminalizing behaviors is going to make people less likely to enact them. In this day and age? So little understanding of human behavior. The immigration itself has declined, but the number of people illegally here went way up. The number of people leaving declined. Why leave if you can't get back in? You want them to leave and do things the right way? Don't close down the avenues for them to do so.

So I am still waiting for this broad brush of new policies that went to enact into law. But instead you keep talking about "Restrictive Policies". So what kind of restrictive policies? You said your not in favor of open borders, and now your not in favor of bans from staying here Illegally. So that means you basically want Open Borders. 

2 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

not sure how that answers any of my questions. i have hispanic cousins, american citizens by birth. they are self respectivng contributing members of society and they know their history. if they get rounded up in texas for not having papers, should they simply 'not take it"? like, those illegally detained hispanics by arpaio - they should have fought back?

Sorry I added on to what I wrote after I wrote that. So go back and reread that comment.

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

1 minute ago, jayjayj said:

Are there American citizens being deported to other countries?  Has that been happening a lot in the last few years?  

Sorry I know "A TON" of Tejanos which are Texans who are of Mexican descent who openly love and support Trump and his immigration stance. Also they look Hispanic as well and never gotten stopped GASP!!!!!!.

 

 

PS. If you go along the border area of Texas the population is primarily Hispanic anyway. So basically your saying that they will stereotype 80% of a county's population for their color. 

[jayjayj 571]

4 minutes ago, Teddy B said:

As I said earlier, I have no problem with holding the people (parents) responsible who actually broke the laws. If that does in fact at some time equate to deportation, then the families will have a very tough decision to make, but I am not going to hold under aged children responsible for the actions of their parents or other adults that brought them here.

Will it be a tougher decision than the one they made when they came here illegally and most likely left behind quite a few immediate family members?  Those parents didn't care about it then, why would they now?  How many elderly relatives did they leave behind, knowing they might never see them again?  Did it matter to them when they made their horribly difficult decision?

Edited September 7, 2017 by jayjayj