Sessions rescinds DACA

[jayjayj 571]

2 minutes ago, Mrs. Wild said:

We did 😂😂 we have a long history of inviting immigrants here to work, and then kicking them out when they want to stay.

I'm not familiar with that part of our history.  Can you explain further?  I'm willing to listen.

[Jacque67 7,328]

6 months leave for Donnie to quit or be impeached. Great all round!

Our.

love pronouns .

[Teddy B 17,252]

6 minutes ago, jayjayj said:

They came here with no fault, but the moment they stayed after turning 18, it became their fault.  Are any DACA recipients still under the age of 18?

This may be the most silly argument against DACA I've seen. Yes, let's take 18 year old children who know no other life than the one they have in the USA and hold them responsible for not deporting themselves away from their family and friends to a country they've never really lived in, simply because their parents brought them here. Ridiculous at best.

Edited September 7, 2017 by Teddy B

[CaliCat 3,957]

3 minutes ago, jayjayj said:

I'm not familiar with that part of our history.  Can you explain further?  I'm willing to listen.

 

Great idea. It should give us a better topic to discuss than the red herring of DACA.

 

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/03/americas-brutal-forgotten-history-of-illegal-deportations/517971/

 

America’s Forgotten History of Illegal Deportations

In the late 1920s and early 1930s, the country carried out a wave of unconstitutional raids that affected as many as 1.8 million people. Is it on the verge of doing so again?

It was a time of economic struggle, racial resentment and increasing xenophobia. Installed in the White House was a president who had never before held elected office. A moderately successful businessman, he promised American jobs for Americans—and made good on that promise by slashing immigration by nearly 90 percent.

 

He wore his hair parted down the middle, rather than elaborately piled on top, and his name was Herbert Hoover, not Donald Trump. But in the late 1920s and early 1930s, under the president’s watch, a wave of illegal and unconstitutional raids and deportations would alter the lives of as many as 1.8 million men, women and children—a threat that would seem to loom just as large in 2017 as it did back in 1929.

What became colloquially known as the “Mexican repatriation” efforts of 1929 to 1936 are a shameful and profoundly illustrative chapter in American history, yet they remain largely unknown—despite their broad and devastating impact. So much so that today, a different president is edging towards similar solutions, with none of the hesitation or concern that basic consciousness would seem to require.

 

Edited September 7, 2017 by CaliCat

[Teddy B 17,252]

8 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

again with the telling me how to post?????

Take notice, there's a new sheriff in town.

[Mrs. Wild 87]

1 minute ago, jayjayj said:

They came here with no fault, but the moment they stayed after turning 18, it became their fault.  Are any DACA recipients still under the age of 18?

I love this argument. What exactly were they supposed to do at the age of 18? 1. They couldn't get legal jobs--so limited funds to move. 2. Their families were here... so nowhere to stay long-term. And in this country... most 18 year olds are still in school. They would have been in high school at that time.

 

And yes, some people eligible for DACA could potentially be as young as 10 or 11.

[Jacque67 7,328]

4 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

simply a ridiculous premise, expecting children that turn 18 to self deport, leaving their families and their lives behind. 

tis a bee-yoo-ti-full thing!!!!!

 

[jayjayj 571]

Just now, Teddy B said:

This may be the most silly argument against DACA I've seen. Yes, let's take 18 year old children who know no other life than the one they have in the USA and hold them responsible for not deporting themselves away from their family friends to a country they've never really lived in, simply because their parents brought them here. Ridiculous at best.

It is simply denying the premise that they have no fault in the matter.  Too many people have forgotten about personal responsibility.  You can make it as emotional as you want, but it doesn't change the FACT that they came here illegally.  It also doesn't change the FACT that their parents did this to them.  

[Jacque67 7,328]

This must have hurt Spencer

 

https://pitchfork.com/news/71836-depeche-mode-denounce-richard-spencers-official-band-of-the-alt-right-claim/

[CaliCat 3,957]

Just now, jayjayj said:

It is simply denying the premise that they have no fault in the matter.  Too many people have forgotten about personal responsibility.  You can make it as emotional as you want, but it doesn't change the FACT that they came here illegally.  It also doesn't change the FACT that their parents did this to them.  

 

It's because they don't. 

[jayjayj 571]

2 minutes ago, Teddy B said:

Take notice, there's a new sheriff in town.

Ridicule!  Hilarious!

[smilesammich 10,727]

this is the problem with referring to people as illegals. it dehumanizes them, no one here would expect the same of their own children turning 18, in a similar situation. 'oh but i'd never bring my kids to a country illegally' right alongside 'so proud and lucky to be an american' and 'refugees should just stay where they are and fix their own countries' 

 

there's a reason behind the dehumanization:

https://thinkprogress.org/breitbart-uses-photo-of-gang-members-to-smear-daca-recipients-as-violent-criminals-b98013a94c09/

[Jacque67 7,328]

2 minutes ago, Teddy B said:

Take notice, there's a new sheriff in town.

A top constitutional lawyer by the looks of it 🙄

[jayjayj 571]

Just now, CaliCat said:

 

It's because they don't. 

Your opinion.  Mine is different.

[Teddy B 17,252]

Just now, jayjayj said:

It is simply denying the premise that they have no fault in the matter.  Too many people have forgotten about personal responsibility.  You can make it as emotional as you want, but it doesn't change the FACT that they came here illegally.  It also doesn't change the FACT that their parents did this to them.  

It also doesn't change the fact that your line of reasoning is tragically flawed, but please continue.